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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by Roguevictory   » Fri May 08, 2015 12:27 am

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drothgery wrote:
Roguevictory wrote:Unfortunately for some reason instead of just releasing books in hard cover then Mass Market Paperback they seem to release the honor books in hardcover followed by Trade Paperback (Which cost more then Mass Market Paperbacks and then months after the trade paperbacks hit they release them in mass market form (cheapest and both easiest to store and carry around)

I sometimes wish a publisher would eliminate the pretense that buying a hardcover is anything other than paying more to get the book earlier and adopt a pricing model based on actual costs and make all formats available from day 1, with something like a hardcover at $X, trade paperback at $X-2, mass market paperback at $X-3, and ebook at $X-5.



That would be cool unless we end up with something like hardcovers costing $25, Trade paperbacks $20 and Mass Markets $15 in which case my already strained book budget would be in ever worse shape.
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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by SWM   » Fri May 08, 2015 8:18 am

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SWM wrote:DW is getting a book out this year--several, in fact. They just aren't in the "modern" Honorverse timeline. Hells' Gate is scheduled for July. The sword of the South is scheduled for August. A Call to Arms is scheduled for October. Hell's Foundations Quiver is also due out in October, from Tor/Forge. And paperback edition of Shadow of Freedom, A Call to Duty, and Cauldron of Ghosts come out in the next six months, along with the leatherbound edition of Field of Dishonor.

That's four new books, three paperback new editions, and a special leather edition, all in six months. How much more David Weber do you think the publishers can do in a year? (Not to mention how fast David can push it out.)

T'be fair, though, the paperbacks/new editions of older books should require relatively little time or effort on David's part, with special editions taking up a bit more, but not a massive amount, maybe a new forward/afterwards, maybe an expanded appendix. It's the new stuff that takes up time and effort.

Agreed, David doesn't have to do any special work for the paperbacks, and only has to sign the leatherbound. But the question I posed was, how many Weber books can the publisher put out in a year before either saturating the market or interfering with the publication of other authors?
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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by Joat42   » Fri May 08, 2015 8:50 am

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Roguevictory wrote:Unfortunately for some reason instead of just releasing books in hard cover then Mass Market Paperback they seem to release the honor books in hardcover followed by Trade Paperback (Which cost more then Mass Market Paperbacks and then months after the trade paperbacks hit they release them in mass market form (cheapest and both easiest to store and carry around)


Hardcover and Trade paperback uses the same setup for printing, it's only the final binding of the cover/sleeve that differs.

It's all about adapting the product and price after what people are willing to pay.

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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by OrlandoNative   » Sat May 09, 2015 9:36 am

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SWM wrote:
Kytheros wrote:T'be fair, though, the paperbacks/new editions of older books should require relatively little time or effort on David's part, with special editions taking up a bit more, but not a massive amount, maybe a new forward/afterwards, maybe an expanded appendix. It's the new stuff that takes up time and effort.

Agreed, David doesn't have to do any special work for the paperbacks, and only has to sign the leatherbound. But the question I posed was, how many Weber books can the publisher put out in a year before either saturating the market or interfering with the publication of other authors?


I would guess it would depend on the size of the publishing house. Let's face it, today with laser printers, computers, and machines that trim and bind pages automatically, it's not like someone arranging wood blocks of letters in an old style printing press. Setting up and printing 10 copies of a page that might have taken a whole day then probably takes less than a minute now.

And one would hope any publisher worthy of the name would have multiple print lines. If a newspaper like the New York Times can print literally hundreds of thousands of copies of the paper each day in time for them to be delivered all over the country, I don't see where it should be too hard for a book publisher to put out *at least* 30 new or reprinted books each month - 1 for each day - if not more.

Also, RFC doesn't just use *one* publisher. Some of his work is published by Baen, and some by Tor. For that matter, some of his other works might be published by yet others. I don't know off the top of my head. Actually, I sort of wish he'd gone with Baen for all of his books, since they have "Advance Reader Copies"; and Tor doesn't seem to be too good in that regard.

However, one thing *does* come to mind... ...namely that some genre of books don't lend themselves to quick authoring; and "serious" science fiction is often one of them. That said, perhaps RFC's decision to author so many different series at the same time might not have been the best one he could have made.

On another note... ...from the beginning of the thread...

Adding to that, David has mentioned that all the side-series (such as the Shadows books) are going to be brought back together into the mainline series, and that there might only be two or three books left.


And I suppose that "coming back together" could even happen in the next novel. After all, though not explicitly stated, we have Cachet (the Torch line) and Henke (the Shadow line) already on Mesa, and Honor could easily bring a contingent herself to aid in trying to "dig out" more information about the Alignment.

I'm assuming RFC, like any good series author, has a map of his "future history" he's writing to. That said, if the altercation with Haven took 10 books to resolve, it seems like one with *both* the Solarian League and the Mesan Alignment should take at least as many, rather than 3 or less. Unless he's going to do some serious time jumping, which would probably not make his fans all that happy. After all, in A Rising Thunder, the analysis presented towards the end noted the League probably would take 10-15 YEARS to reach a "tipping point". As for the Alignment, at this point Mantacore knows almost *nothing* about it except for it's existence. All that is going to have to be discovered; then confronted and handled, and that takes time. To date, none of the books relating to the "Honorverse" have covered more than a few years at most.
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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by cthia   » Sat May 09, 2015 9:44 am

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Question.

What is David Weber's most successful series?

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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by OrlandoNative   » Sat May 09, 2015 10:50 am

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cthia wrote:Question.

What is David Weber's most successful series?


I suspect only David or his various publishers could really say.

The Honorverse has had more books sited in it. However, the Dahak series has been around for a long time; even if it has fewer titles. And the Safehold series, even though it closely resembles a much expanded version of "Heirs of Empire" from the Dahak series (with different genocidal aliens and all, but the main plot is very similar though done in a single novel), seems to have taken off well.

For that matter, he's written some "stand alone" (at least so far) novels as well. So it's possible - though not all that likely I would think - that his most "successful" (however you want to define that) might not be a series at all.
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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by OrlandoNative   » Sat May 09, 2015 10:59 am

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Roguevictory wrote:That would be cool unless we end up with something like hardcovers costing $25, Trade paperbacks $20 and Mass Markets $15 in which case my already strained book budget would be in ever worse shape.


Have to agree there. With current book pricing, it's actually an incentive for illiteracy. One would think that with all the advancements in the publishing industry costs would have remained pretty much the same - or at least not more than doubled - over the years. But they haven't. Well, I don't recall ever hearing about any publishing company's CEO being "middle class".... :lol:

That's at least *one* of the major reasons I don't collect (or usually even buy) hardcovers. The other is that they take up far too much room. With thousands of books, one almost needs a whole house just to fit in all the bookracks. Paperbacks and ebooks only take a room.

Actually, here in Florida things are pretty good. There are a fair number of used book shops, and most of the thrift and consignment stores have book sections. Even GoodWill - and they sell their books at $0.99 or less for a paperback, and $1.99 for a hardcover. And just about everything eventually will show up in one store or another in time. One can read a new book at the library, then get a copy for one's own self later at one of those stores.
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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by Kytheros   » Sat May 09, 2015 11:05 am

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cthia wrote:Question.

What is David Weber's most successful series?

In terms of numbers of books sold/revenue generated, almost certainly the Honorverse. At least, for the series that are his alone or that he's done with a partner, ie, Hell's Gate, Empire of Man, and Starfire.


Then you've got his forays into other universes - like the Bolo-verse. Are you just looking at his work in that universe or are you going to loop in the entire series?
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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by SWM   » Sat May 09, 2015 12:22 pm

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OrlandoNative wrote:
SWM wrote:Agreed, David doesn't have to do any special work for the paperbacks, and only has to sign the leatherbound. But the question I posed was, how many Weber books can the publisher put out in a year before either saturating the market or interfering with the publication of other authors?


I would guess it would depend on the size of the publishing house. Let's face it, today with laser printers, computers, and machines that trim and bind pages automatically, it's not like someone arranging wood blocks of letters in an old style printing press. Setting up and printing 10 copies of a page that might have taken a whole day then probably takes less than a minute now.

And one would hope any publisher worthy of the name would have multiple print lines. If a newspaper like the New York Times can print literally hundreds of thousands of copies of the paper each day in time for them to be delivered all over the country, I don't see where it should be too hard for a book publisher to put out *at least* 30 new or reprinted books each month - 1 for each day - if not more.

Also, RFC doesn't just use *one* publisher. Some of his work is published by Baen, and some by Tor. For that matter, some of his other works might be published by yet others. I don't know off the top of my head. Actually, I sort of wish he'd gone with Baen for all of his books, since they have "Advance Reader Copies"; and Tor doesn't seem to be too good in that regard.

However, one thing *does* come to mind... ...namely that some genre of books don't lend themselves to quick authoring; and "serious" science fiction is often one of them. That said, perhaps RFC's decision to author so many different series at the same time might not have been the best one he could have made.

You clearly do not know the publishing industry. There is FAR more involved than you think. And it takes a lot longer to print and bind thousands of books than you think.

All but one of the books I listed above are from Baen. The only series that Weber sends to any other publisher is the Safehold series, through Tor/Forge. Tor/Forge handles hundreds of authors; they can only do about one, maybe two, David Weber books in a year.

Baen publishes only six or seven books a month. And that includes new editions or paperback editions of previously published books. So that's about three or four new titles a month. That's all they can handle. Of the 38 books Baen is publishing from May to October, 6 are from David Weber. The remaining 22 books are split among 20 other authors!

On another note... ...from the beginning of the thread...

Adding to that, David has mentioned that all the side-series (such as the Shadows books) are going to be brought back together into the mainline series, and that there might only be two or three books left.


And I suppose that "coming back together" could even happen in the next novel. After all, though not explicitly stated, we have Cachet (the Torch line) and Henke (the Shadow line) already on Mesa, and Honor could easily bring a contingent herself to aid in trying to "dig out" more information about the Alignment.

It is happening in the next novel. David made that very clear.
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Re: New Honor Novel?
Post by Hornblower   » Sat May 09, 2015 3:07 pm

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And I suppose that "coming back together" could even happen in the next novel. After all, though not explicitly stated, we have Cachet (the Torch line) and Henke (the Shadow line) already on Mesa, and Honor could easily bring a contingent herself to aid in trying to "dig out" more information about the Alignment.[/quote]
It is happening in the next novel. David made that very clear.[/quote]

I wonder if he has written much of the next Honorverse novel? If not, things may change. ;)
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