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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by George J. Smith   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:55 am

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SharkHunter wrote:
Dauntless wrote:if they are still alive. the first war, Thunderbolt and Battle of Manticore (or should that be first Manticore?) wiped out a lot of good people BoM espcially.

I was so upset when Alistair and Banshee died. was worse then Rastar in We Few and that hurt so much!

There has to be someone left who would be worthy but apart from Abigial i'm stumped as to who. they are all too senior, if alive.

really that should have been Rafe cardones first command instead of werewolf. or Scotty Tremaine's once he left the LACs
That said, Tremaine is a cruiser captain right now. You don't think he'd jump ship to Fearless III in a heartbeat? I would just to honor my and HH's battle dead.


I think that would a hard call for him as he commands his Cruiser Squadron from HMS Alistair McKeon.
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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by Vince   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:22 am

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George J. Smith wrote:I think that would a hard call for him as he commands his Cruiser Squadron from HMS Alistair McEwan.

Quibble: Cruiser division, not squadron. Admiral Henke speaking to Commodore Terekhov:
Shadow of Freedom, Chapter 26 wrote:“I’ll want you underway within twelve hours,” she continued. “In the meantime, I’ll be leaving your other division and Scotty Tremaine’s division here in Montana, along with the rest of Culbertson’s CLACs, and the rest of our destroyers, all under Culbertson. I’ll leave him detailed instructions about what to do if any interesting little messages should happen to arrive from other resistance movements we didn’t realize we were supporting.”
Boldface is my emphasis.
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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by George J. Smith   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:24 pm

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Vince wrote:
George J. Smith wrote:I think that would a hard call for him as he commands his Cruiser Squadron from HMS Alistair McEwan.

Quibble: Cruiser division, not squadron. Admiral Henke speaking to Commodore Terekhov:
Shadow of Freedom, Chapter 26 wrote:“I’ll want you underway within twelve hours,” she continued. “In the meantime, I’ll be leaving your other division and Scotty Tremaine’s division here in Montana, along with the rest of Culbertson’s CLACs, and the rest of our destroyers, all under Culbertson. I’ll leave him detailed instructions about what to do if any interesting little messages should happen to arrive from other resistance movements we didn’t realize we were supporting.”
Boldface is my emphasis.


My bad, I knew he had Alistair McKeon as a flag but I didn't check to see if it was a squadron or a division.
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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by akira.taylor   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:07 pm

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SharkHunter wrote:So, if because it's a Ship of the List, the RMN always has a Nike, and traditionally it's the standard-bearer for the battle cruiser class... CA-286 is completely obsolete by PD 1922 standards...

So, where's Ship of the List, HMS Fearless III? is it a Sag-C? Not on anyone's radar? or just keep it with CA-286, retired for honorary purposes like HMS Courageous, or...

I think we should let Honor, Tremaine, Sonja, and Foraker get together for a design confab, maybe built just in time for a certain rapidly progressing Grayson-born RMN officer to take command, and do the ship justice.

Thoughts?

[by the way... tried to look up something like this on previous threads... never came up with an effective enough search!]


My understanding is there are Ships of the List (there is always a ship of the name, although it might not be finished yet - CA Fearless was under construction when Honor got it), and then there is Nike (always the newest, best battlecruiser).

So, the current Fearless is around somewhere (unless a new one was under construction during Yawata).
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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by saber964   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:21 pm

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Scotty, is on the fast track, more than likely he'll be commanding a CruRon before long. Likely the rest of CruRon96.
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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by stewart   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:25 pm

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Dauntless wrote:yes indeed. that was a big leap. talk about tonnage creep!



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It happens in multiple navies

the original Enterprise was a Revolutionary Sloop of War. By the time of the TR's Great White Fleet, the name was assigned to an armored cruiser (ACR). Last two Enterprises were CV6 and CVN65.

In most cases the tonnage / size creep goes up

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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by Jonathan_S   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:44 pm

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stewart wrote:
Dauntless wrote:yes indeed. that was a big leap. talk about tonnage creep!



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It happens in multiple navies

the original Enterprise was a Revolutionary Sloop of War. By the time of the TR's Great White Fleet, the name was assigned to an armored cruiser (ACR). Last two Enterprises were CV6 and CVN65.

In most cases the tonnage / size creep goes up

-- Stewart

Most cases.
But I was looking through the ships of the Royal Navy's Type-45 Detroyers, and a previous HMS Duncan was the lead ship of a turn of the century pre-dreadnaught class of battleships; and the one before that was a screw powered 101-gun 1st rate ship of the line.

Even an 8k ton destroyer is a serious step down in displacement from a pre-dread.


A couple other Type-45s share names with interwar light cruisers; but the Diane class of CLs displace less than 60% of what the modern air defense destroyer does. So it's a step down in class, but step up in tonnage...
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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by saber964   » Fri May 01, 2015 4:49 pm

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stewart wrote:
Dauntless wrote:yes indeed. that was a big leap. talk about tonnage creep!



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It happens in multiple navies

the original Enterprise was a Revolutionary Sloop of War. By the time of the TR's Great White Fleet, the name was assigned to an armored cruiser (ACR). Last two Enterprises were CV6 and CVN65.

In most cases the tonnage / size creep goes up

-- Stewart


Let's not forget PCU Enterprise CVN80.
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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by saber964   » Fri May 01, 2015 4:58 pm

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If you want tonnage creep look at destroyers. During WWI a destroyer weighed 9-1100 tons, WWII 18-2200 tons Cold War 4-8000 tons and the Zumwalt class is 14000 tons as big as a WWII Cleveland class light cruiser and bigger than any of the Treaty Cruisers of the era.
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Re: HMS-Fearless, CA-New
Post by stewart   » Sun May 03, 2015 11:44 pm

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saber964 wrote:"stewart"]"Dauntless"]yes indeed. that was a big leap. talk about tonnage creep!



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It happens in multiple navies

the original Enterprise was a Revolutionary Sloop of War. By the time of the TR's Great White Fleet, the name was assigned to an armored cruiser (ACR). Last two Enterprises were CV6 and CVN65.

In most cases the tonnage / size creep goes up

-- Stewart[/quote]

Let's not forget PCU Enterprise CVN80.[/quote]


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