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Chisholm
Post by Iorwerth   » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:10 pm

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Hello

I have question (query) about Chisholm. In the books Chisholm has a strong army but a relatively weaker navy. This works in story terms, as it fits well with Charis' strong navy but relatively weaker army. It has however always struck me as a little odd as Chisholm geographically appears almost as isolated as Charis, Corisande and Emerald.

I wonder who the Chisholm army was developed to fight, where did they learn to be so effective and why did Chisholm prioritise army over their navy when they are geographically isolated from the other major mainland powers?

Have I missed something?

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Re: Chisholm
Post by SHV   » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:25 pm

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The development of a strong national army was the means by which the marginalized Royal family re-exerted control over the Nobility.

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Re: Chisholm
Post by SYED   » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:45 pm

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CHaris supplies the navy, chrisholm gives the army, i wonder who will supply the coast guard.
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Re: Chisholm
Post by SWM   » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:07 pm

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SYED wrote:CHaris supplies the navy, chrisholm gives the army, i wonder who will supply the coast guard.

Tarot. :twisted:
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Re: Chisholm
Post by Iorwerth   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:31 am

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SWM wrote:
SYED wrote:CHaris supplies the navy, chrisholm gives the army, i wonder who will supply the coast guard.

Tarot. :twisted:


Only the Anvil, Emerald, Charis and thousands of miles of sea between Chisholm and Tarot. Given that Chisholm is the next best thing to an island and quite isolated you would have thought (?) that naturally they be a naval power.
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Re: Chisholm
Post by Randomiser   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:25 am

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Iorwerth wrote:Given that Chisholm is the next best thing to an island and quite isolated you would have thought (?) that naturally they be a naval power.


Well, they were to some extent. That is why the CoGA co-opted their navy into the attack on Charis in OAR. However they are much less industrialised and mercantile than Charis so had less need for a merchant fleet and the ability to protect it on the seas. Charis' navy was just much bigger. The nobility on Chisolm seem to have focussed on struggles with each other and especially with the Crown rather than overseas matters, so military power on land was what was wanted and valued. As SHV posted, the royal army seen in the books was developed by the Crown to wrest power back from the nobles and to keep them in order. Also Howell Bay's strategic position in Charis' history predisposed the kings of Charis to focus on ships. There was no similar reason for the kings of Chisholm to do so.
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Re: Chisholm
Post by JeffEngel   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:11 am

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Randomiser wrote:
Iorwerth wrote:Given that Chisholm is the next best thing to an island and quite isolated you would have thought (?) that naturally they be a naval power.


Well, they were to some extent. That is why the CoGA co-opted their navy into the attack on Charis in OAR. However they are much less industrialised and mercantile than Charis so had less need for a merchant fleet and the ability to protect it on the seas. Charis' navy was just much bigger. The nobility on Chisolm seem to have focussed on struggles with each other and especially with the Crown rather than overseas matters, so military power on land was what was wanted and valued. As SHV posted, the royal army seen in the books was developed by the Crown to wrest power back from the nobles and to keep them in order. Also Howell Bay's strategic position in Charis' history predisposed the kings of Charis to focus on ships. There was no similar reason for the kings of Chisholm to do so.

Right. Getting stuff and going places on Charis calls for water transport, across a bay, across a channel, sometimes across an ocean. Getting stuff and going places on Chisholm requires crossing Chisholm. Oh, you have to watch the coasts and the ocean is an alternative for getting about Chisholm's perimeter; when Trellheim gets cheeky, you need a navy to discourage them; and there will be some trade with other islands and cheekiness out of them to handle. But for the most part, Chisholm's problems, challenges, and opportunities have been accessible on foot.
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Re: Chisholm
Post by Isilith   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:20 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:Oh, you have to watch the coasts and the ocean is an alternative for getting about Chisholm's perimeter; when Trellheim gets cheeky, you need a navy to discourage them;


The Empire needs to annex Trellheim, along with a lot of other places. :twisted:
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Re: Chisholm
Post by Randomiser   » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:32 pm

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Isilith wrote:
JeffEngel wrote:Oh, you have to watch the coasts and the ocean is an alternative for getting about Chisholm's perimeter; when Trellheim gets cheeky, you need a navy to discourage them;


The Empire needs to annex Trellheim, along with a lot of other places. :twisted:


Anything's possible , I suppose. One day. But right now they are not bothering anybody in EoC so why waste resources on them?
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Re: Chisholm
Post by SYED   » Fri May 01, 2015 7:53 pm

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Sinmce there is no true centrol authority in trellheim, i can see them establishing their own enclaves in those territiories, and gradually become hte main power over there.
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