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Re: Question Regarding Charisian Strategies
Post by USMA74   » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:03 pm

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[quote]Sorry Weird but the Doolittle raid accomplished two things.

1) An American 'victory' in the middle of a series of defeat after defeat. A much needed morale boost.

2) It caused the Japanese to bring aircraft, men, and anti-aircraft guns from the battle fronts to protect the Home Islands.

Thus IMHO it was not the useless publicity stunt you portray. The men who did the raid are all gone now IIRC, but that's no excuse for belittling their sacrifice, some were beheaded for 'War Crimes'. Shame on you.

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Close but not quite right. Two raiders still survive (23 April 2015).

See the 21 April 2015 AP report below by Dan Sewell

CINCINNATI — And then there were two.

Although most of the "Doolittle Tokyo Raiders" beat long odds 73 years ago, surviving anti-aircraft fire, crashed planes and vengeful Japanese soldiers, time has been taking its own toll. Since their 70th anniversary reunion at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force near Dayton, three more Raiders have died, two of them this year.

Retired Lt. Col. Richard "Dick" Cole, 99, and Staff Sgt. David Thatcher, 93, are the last of the original 80 crew men from the 16 B-25 bombers that attacked Japan, boosting American morale and stunning Japan less than five months after its attack on Pearl Harbor brought the United States into World War II. They returned to the museum in Ohio for a Saturday event ceremony to present the Raiders' Congressional Gold Medal for display.

"It just happens that way, I guess," Thatcher, of Missoula, Montana, said of being one of the last survivors.

"Something's just got to give," said Cole, a Dayton native who lives in Comfort, Texas.

The museum's director, retired Lt. Gen. Jack Hudson, accepted the medal, the highest honor Congress can give a civilian, for them in Washington on Wednesday. In a video message, Cole said it was an honor to receive the medal "on behalf of 78 fallen Raiders who we proudly served with on that famous raid."

The latest Raider to fall was Lt. Col. Robert Hite, who died March 29 at age 95 at a Nashville, Tennessee, nursing facility. Hite was also the last of the eight Raiders who were captured by Japanese soldiers. Three were executed and a fourth died in captivity. Three other Raiders were killed soon after the bombing run, as most crash-landed or had to ditch.

Cole was the co-pilot for their mission's leader, James "Jimmy" Doolittle, in plane No. 1 of the 16. Thatcher was engineer-gunner aboard the 7th plane, nicknamed "The Ruptured Duck," whose crew's crash-landing and evasion of Japanese troops in China was depicted in the movie "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo."

Thatcher, who was played by Robert Walker in the movie while Spencer Tracy portrayed Doolittle, chuckled as he recounted how the Raiders had given little thought at the time of the raid about earning a place in history.

"We figured it was just another bombing mission," he said in a phone interview from his home this week.

In the years afterward, though, he said, they realized: "It was an important event in World War II."

Thatcher, who said he uses a cane and walker but otherwise is "getting around OK," was looking forward to weekend events including reunions with family members of the other Raiders to share stories and remembrances.

"You learn something new every time," Thatcher said.

Thatcher joined Cole and Lt. Col. Edward Saylor at the museum less than two years ago for a public "Final Toast' cemetery in which they lifted specially engraved silver goblets for the traditional toast of their reunions to those who have gone. He and Cole planned to do so again this weekend at a private gathering, now saluting Hite and Saylor, who died in January at 94, among the fallen.

Their medal will go on display in the diorama about their raid at the museum, where the director, Hudson, has pledged their inspirational story "will live on."
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Re: Question Regarding Charisian Strategies
Post by dwileye13   » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:28 pm

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n7axw wrote:The notion of something under the Temple reacting to an allied attack is interesting.

I'm not sure how that shakes out, so in the interest of promoting a discussion, I offer the following:


Whatever is under the Temple doesn't really care what happens upstairs as long as it doesn't involve tech sophisticated enough to pose a threat which it is programed to counter. A force with edged weapons could move in and completely over run the Temple and replace its personnel and what's under the Temple would slumber on without so much as an alarm.

Don


Don, I agree completely.

Over the centuries there have been Temple Coups, takeovers and wars without the Temple automatically responding.

But, there will not be that big battle, IMHO. I believe the Go4, the Council of Vicars and the entire Church Heirarchy will collapse under Economic, Political and Spiritual Bankruptcy.

Capitulation will occur when the Armies of Harchong, The CoGA and the remnants of Desnair/Dohlar are utterly defeated. As a survival attempt The CoGA will sue for terms. How the allies proceed should be interesting
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Re: Question Regarding Charisian Strategies
Post by n7axw   » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:18 pm

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dwileye13 wrote:
n7axw wrote:The notion of something under the Temple reacting to an allied attack is interesting.

I'm not sure how that shakes out, so in the interest of promoting a discussion, I offer the following:


Whatever is under the Temple doesn't really care what happens upstairs as long as it doesn't involve tech sophisticated enough to pose a threat which it is programed to counter. A force with edged weapons could move in and completely over run the Temple and replace its personnel and what's under the Temple would slumber on without so much as an alarm.

Don


Don, I agree completely.

Over the centuries there have been Temple Coups, takeovers and wars without the Temple automatically responding.

But, there will not be that big battle, IMHO. I believe the Go4, the Council of Vicars and the entire Church Heirarchy will collapse under Economic, Political and Spiritual Bankruptcy.

Capitulation will occur when the Armies of Harchong, The CoGA and the remnants of Desnair/Dohlar are utterly defeated. As a survival attempt The CoGA will sue for terms. How the allies proceed should be interesting


Here is how you spell out the allied terms: U-N-C-O-N-D-I-T-I-O-N-A-L S-U-R-R-E-N-D-E-R!!!

Don
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Re: Question Regarding Charisian Strategies
Post by SWM   » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:58 am

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dwileye13 wrote:
n7axw wrote:The notion of something under the Temple reacting to an allied attack is interesting.

I'm not sure how that shakes out, so in the interest of promoting a discussion, I offer the following:


Whatever is under the Temple doesn't really care what happens upstairs as long as it doesn't involve tech sophisticated enough to pose a threat which it is programed to counter. A force with edged weapons could move in and completely over run the Temple and replace its personnel and what's under the Temple would slumber on without so much as an alarm.

Don


Don, I agree completely.

Over the centuries there have been Temple Coups, takeovers and wars without the Temple automatically responding.

But, there will not be that big battle, IMHO. I believe the Go4, the Council of Vicars and the entire Church Heirarchy will collapse under Economic, Political and Spiritual Bankruptcy.

Capitulation will occur when the Armies of Harchong, The CoGA and the remnants of Desnair/Dohlar are utterly defeated. As a survival attempt The CoGA will sue for terms. How the allies proceed should be interesting

I don't believe there has ever been a war in Zion itself. There have been a few minor acts of violence, but not any significant battle.
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Re: Question Regarding Charisian Strategies
Post by Kytheros   » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:49 am

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n7axw wrote:The notion of something under the Temple reacting to an allied attack is interesting.

I'm not sure how that shakes out, so in the interest of promoting a discussion, I offer the following:


Whatever is under the Temple doesn't really care what happens upstairs as long as it doesn't involve tech sophisticated enough to pose a threat which it is programed to counter. A force with edged weapons could move in and completely over run the Temple and replace its personnel and what's under the Temple would slumber on without so much as an alarm.

Don

dwileye13 wrote:Don, I agree completely.

Over the centuries there have been Temple Coups, takeovers and wars without the Temple automatically responding.

But, there will not be that big battle, IMHO. I believe the Go4, the Council of Vicars and the entire Church Heirarchy will collapse under Economic, Political and Spiritual Bankruptcy.

Capitulation will occur when the Armies of Harchong, The CoGA and the remnants of Desnair/Dohlar are utterly defeated. As a survival attempt The CoGA will sue for terms. How the allies proceed should be interesting

SWM wrote:I don't believe there has ever been a war in Zion itself. There have been a few minor acts of violence, but not any significant battle.


There's been violence and murders inside the Temple proper - inside the quarters of the Vicarate, even the Grand Vicar. Admittedly, thus far, it's all been poisons and muscle-driven violence. On the other hand, there's also been plenty of talk about gunpowder weapons inside the Temple as well.
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Re: Question Regarding Charisian Strategies
Post by SWM   » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:17 am

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Kytheros wrote:
n7axw wrote:The notion of something under the Temple reacting to an allied attack is interesting.

I'm not sure how that shakes out, so in the interest of promoting a discussion, I offer the following:


Whatever is under the Temple doesn't really care what happens upstairs as long as it doesn't involve tech sophisticated enough to pose a threat which it is programed to counter. A force with edged weapons could move in and completely over run the Temple and replace its personnel and what's under the Temple would slumber on without so much as an alarm.

Don

dwileye13 wrote:Don, I agree completely.

Over the centuries there have been Temple Coups, takeovers and wars without the Temple automatically responding.

But, there will not be that big battle, IMHO. I believe the Go4, the Council of Vicars and the entire Church Heirarchy will collapse under Economic, Political and Spiritual Bankruptcy.

Capitulation will occur when the Armies of Harchong, The CoGA and the remnants of Desnair/Dohlar are utterly defeated. As a survival attempt The CoGA will sue for terms. How the allies proceed should be interesting

SWM wrote:I don't believe there has ever been a war in Zion itself. There have been a few minor acts of violence, but not any significant battle.


There's been violence and murders inside the Temple proper - inside the quarters of the Vicarate, even the Grand Vicar. Admittedly, thus far, it's all been poisons and muscle-driven violence. On the other hand, there's also been plenty of talk about gunpowder weapons inside the Temple as well.

Sure, violence and murders. And even gunpowder weapons. I was only saying that there has not been a battle in Zion or the Temple. So one cannot say that we know the Temple would not react to a battle. I don't believe that it will react to a battle which does not damage the Temple itself. I'm just responding to the statement "Over the centuries there have been Temple Coups, takeovers and wars without the Temple automatically responding." There have NOT been any major battles for the Temple to respond to.
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Re: Question Regarding Charisian Strategies
Post by laz   » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:53 pm

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Yet another reason to not invade zion right away.

the longer this goes on the more in the crapper the Go4's
economy. the more the Go4 squeeze the turnip the more
the minds and souls dislike the Go4

dunno if Go4=COG in the peoples minds. And i don't know
if the laymen will/would blame the Go4 or COG for not being
able to afford food or there own leaders.

it shouldn't go on indefinitely.


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Re: Question Regarding Charisian Strategies
Post by Castenea   » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:35 pm

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laz wrote:Yet another reason to not invade zion right away.

the longer this goes on the more in the crapper the Go4's
economy. the more the Go4 squeeze the turnip the more
the minds and souls dislike the Go4

dunno if Go4=COG in the peoples minds. And i don't know
if the laymen will/would blame the Go4 or COG for not being
able to afford food or there own leaders.

it shouldn't go on indefinitely.


laz

It will go on long past the point at which it is clear to the man on the street that the COGA has lost the war.

A historical example is Germany, for those who studied things Germany was losing from mid 1943.

The Strategic bombing campaign actually started to accomplish something more useful than force the Luftwaffe to fight over Germany after the fall of 1943. It was breakout from Normandy in July of 1944 that showed that Germany would lose soon.

The actual collapse of German morale did not occur until spring of 1945.
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