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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by AirTech   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:59 am

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Hildum wrote:
AirTech wrote:Or the other alternative is that the NEAT had a recording function (think implanted smart phone with internet access (both up-link and down-link, possibly effective telepathy between members of the same network, with a possible range limit (WiFi? (Merlin's low speed data link's original purpose?))) and he saw something that someone didn't want seen - ever. This may have prompted someone to want the his NEAT permanently erased as soon as they had the required access to achieve it without anyone querying their decision. I think the relation between Chihiro and Schuler may have a direct bearing on this. Probing Kohdy's NEAT may be on Merlin's agenda.


There would be little reason for the NEAT receptors to have a separate memory function beyond simple buffering. After all, the receptors are directly connected to a large memory system!


Buffering is common in high load systems, and offline storage is useful for many things. If you know that your system may be out of range of a network, and space is a big place, having your own library available would be useful(for example the repair manual for your spacecraft shouldn't depend on its systems being operational). Online storage is inherently far more easily hacked and less secure than offline storage. (Assume any thing you put online is accessible to NSA, FSB, Mosad, ASIO, GCHQ or the intelligence agency of your choice or the company who owns your file server or all of the above). Memory is cheap now, a terabyte of solid state storage is a couple of hundred dollars, in four hundred years who knows?
Another use would be as a black box recorder. If you find a dead body the last few days of their life would be most illuminating to the investigating officer.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by mhicks   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:12 pm

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AirTech wrote:
Hildum wrote:Or the other alternative is that the NEAT had a recording function (think implanted smart phone with internet access (both up-link and down-link, possibly effective telepathy between members of the same network, with a possible range limit (WiFi? (Merlin's low speed data link's original purpose?))) and he saw something that someone didn't want seen - ever. This may have prompted someone to want the his NEAT permanently erased as soon as they had the required access to achieve it without anyone querying their decision. I think the relation between Chihiro and Schuler may have a direct bearing on this. Probing Kohdy's NEAT may be on Merlin's agenda

There would be little reason for the NEAT receptors to have a separate memory function beyond simple buffering. After all, the receptors are directly connected to a large memory system!

Buffering is common in high load systems, and offline storage is useful for many things. If you know that your system may be out of range of a network, and space is a big place, having your own library available would be useful(for example the repair manual for your spacecraft shouldn't depend on its systems being operational). Online storage is inherently far more easily hacked and less secure than offline storage. (Assume any thing you put online is accessible to NSA, FSB, Mosad, ASIO, GCHQ or the intelligence agency of your choice or the company who owns your file server or all of the above). Memory is cheap now, a terabyte of solid state storage is a couple of hundred dollars, in four hundred years who knows?
Another use would be as a black box recorder. If you find a dead body the last few days of their life would be most illuminating to the investigating officer.



could a NEAT be used on Cody and see what happened to him? Or do you think the Temple took it off him before they returned the body. And if it could be used to get the memories from Cody, couldn't they use a NEAT on any other ADAM or EVE that was left behind?
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by lyonheart   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:44 pm

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Hi Mhicks,

Welcome to the forum and enjoy your favorite simulated beverage on the simulated forum. ;) :D

Now your suggestion is an excellent possibility and a very interesting problem.

I wonder if it'll occur to Nahrmahn before Merlin [or does Sandaria suggest it?], and how does Merlin and Nynian broach the possibility to the senior sister?

It's quite likely the NEAT's break down after death, NTM the loss of power etc, how long is something only RFC knows, but the potential advantage in finding out what happened might overcome Nynian's probable opposition.

Whether RFC has included this possibility in HFQ or later will be another shoe waiting to drop if it takes Nahrmahn and OWL awhile to patch it back together.

L


mhicks wrote:
AirTech wrote:*quote="Hildum"*
Or the other alternative is that the NEAT had a recording function (think implanted smart phone with internet access (both up-link and down-link, possibly effective telepathy between members of the same network, with a possible range limit (WiFi? (Merlin's low speed data link's original purpose?))) and he saw something that someone didn't want seen - ever. This may have prompted someone to want the his NEAT permanently erased as soon as they had the required access to achieve it without anyone querying their decision. I think the relation between Chihiro and Schuler may have a direct bearing on this. Probing Kohdy's NEAT may be on Merlin's agenda

There would be little reason for the NEAT receptors to have a separate memory function beyond simple buffering. After all, the receptors are directly connected to a large memory system!

Buffering is common in high load systems, and offline storage is useful for many things. If you know that your system may be out of range of a network, and space is a big place, having your own library available would be useful(for example the repair manual for your spacecraft shouldn't depend on its systems being operational). Online storage is inherently far more easily hacked and less secure than offline storage. (Assume any thing you put online is accessible to NSA, FSB, Mosad, ASIO, GCHQ or the intelligence agency of your choice or the company who owns your file server or all of the above). Memory is cheap now, a terabyte of solid state storage is a couple of hundred dollars, in four hundred years who knows?
Another use would be as a black box recorder. If you find a dead body the last few days of their life would be most illuminating to the investigating officer.
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could a NEAT be used on Cody and see what happened to him? Or do you think the Temple took it off him before they returned the body. And if it could be used to get the memories from Cody, couldn't they use a NEAT on any other ADAM or EVE that was left behind?
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by AncientMariner   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:41 pm

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“My name is Cody Cortazar,” it began, “and I am an Adam, honored far beyond any mortal man might have deserved to stand beside the Angels and Archangels themselves against the forces of Darkness.”



I don't think anyone's discussed this yet. I find it interesting the Cody's last name is Cortazar, which I'm pretty sure is a Spanish name. It cannot be a coincidence that sections of his diary are written in Spanish! This makes me wonder, if all the Adams and Eves had their memories wiped, including their mother languages, how did Cody regain his? I humbly propose that the enemy that spared his life must have had at least some tech similar to what Shan Wei was using to restore the colonist's memories in Alexandria. Perhaps the mysterious enemy was not able to restore all of Cody's stolen memories, but was able to restore language? This would explain why Cody was able to use Spanish for his journal, and why he started having doubts.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by BobG   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:43 pm

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lyonheart wrote:
It's quite likely the NEAT's break down after death, NTM the loss of power etc, how long is something only RFC knows, but the potential advantage in finding out what happened might overcome Nynian's probable opposition.

Whether RFC has included this possibility in HFQ or later will be another shoe waiting to drop if it takes Nahrmahn and OWL awhile to patch it back together.

L

Hi, Lyonheart

I've always thought that the interface was biological in nature, some sort of additional attachment to synapses that allows for scanning. Sort of like the serial diagnostic bus that many computer chips have for scanning through all the important buffers and latches on the chip.

Given the massive amount of parallelism and data in the brain, a serial bus wouldn't do. And I have no idea if the bus is a biological/cellular construct or something built by nanotech, and for the latter if it is a carbon based (buckytubes?) or metallic (extracted from trace metals or food coloring agents in one's diet).

I have wondered if there was a way to "grow" the network in an adult, or if you don't get it early in life, then you can never have it.

But I've been wrong before. In a recent post, for example. :D

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by Joat42   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:19 pm

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BobG wrote:lyonheart wrote:
It's quite likely the NEAT's break down after death, NTM the loss of power etc, how long is something only RFC knows, but the potential advantage in finding out what happened might overcome Nynian's probable opposition.

Whether RFC has included this possibility in HFQ or later will be another shoe waiting to drop if it takes Nahrmahn and OWL awhile to patch it back together.

L

Hi, Lyonheart

I've always thought that the interface was biological in nature, some sort of additional attachment to synapses that allows for scanning. Sort of like the serial diagnostic bus that many computer chips have for scanning through all the important buffers and latches on the chip.

Given the massive amount of parallelism and data in the brain, a serial bus wouldn't do. And I have no idea if the bus is a biological/cellular construct or something built by nanotech, and for the latter if it is a carbon based (buckytubes?) or metallic (extracted from trace metals or food coloring agents in one's diet).

I have wondered if there was a way to "grow" the network in an adult, or if you don't get it early in life, then you can never have it.

But I've been wrong before. In a recent post, for example. :D

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When the technology gets advanced enough the lines blur what is biological and what is "technological".

A serial bus is enough, if it's fast enough. Most computers today use serial buses for transporting huge amounts of data very fast, since we today are using 64 bits CPU's it's impractical and neigh impossible to lay down that a wide databus. From the description so far about NEATs it seems to be technological in nature and the download of a personality seem to take a while.

It is possible to grow NEAT-nodes in an adult, that was what Merlin did when Nahrmahn was dying. Merlin reprogrammed the nanos he had injected into select persons and grew new nodes by scavenging material from Nahrmahns body, and the NEAT-headset was then used to download most of Nahrmahns personality (see MTaT - April 896 Chapter 21). The method Merlin used would have killed Nahrmahn in the end but since he was already dying Merlin did it anyway.

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by evilauthor   » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:04 am

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AncientMariner wrote:I don't think anyone's discussed this yet. I find it interesting the Cody's last name is Cortazar, which I'm pretty sure is a Spanish name. It cannot be a coincidence that sections of his diary are written in Spanish! This makes me wonder, if all the Adams and Eves had their memories wiped, including their mother languages, how did Cody regain his?


Reread the end of this snippet again. Cody mentions waking up in a sickbay with his head brimming with new knowledge. So much knowledge in fact that his previous life on Safehold had become distant to him, like a dream.

Not hard to imagine that Spanish might be among the knowledge the "Archangels' servitors" had downloaded into his head.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by Peter2   » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:19 am

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evilauthor wrote:
AncientMariner wrote:I don't think anyone's discussed this yet. I find it interesting the Cody's last name is Cortazar, which I'm pretty sure is a Spanish name. It cannot be a coincidence that sections of his diary are written in Spanish! This makes me wonder, if all the Adams and Eves had their memories wiped, including their mother languages, how did Cody regain his?


Reread the end of this snippet again. Cody mentions waking up in a sickbay with his head brimming with new knowledge. So much knowledge in fact that his previous life on Safehold had become distant to him, like a dream.

Not hard to imagine that Spanish might be among the knowledge the "Archangels' servitors" had downloaded into his head.


Agreed. But why? Could it be to allow the archangels' favoured servitors to communicate quickly and easily with each other and their bosses without the ordinary Adams and Eves understanding what they are talking about? If not, what other reasons are likely?

Another possibility could be the partial failure of the mental reprogramming, because of either a glitch in the procedure, or some mental quirk peculiar to Cody.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by Joat42   » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:37 am

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evilauthor wrote:
AncientMariner wrote:I don't think anyone's discussed this yet. I find it interesting the Cody's last name is Cortazar, which I'm pretty sure is a Spanish name. It cannot be a coincidence that sections of his diary are written in Spanish! This makes me wonder, if all the Adams and Eves had their memories wiped, including their mother languages, how did Cody regain his?

Reread the end of this snippet again. Cody mentions waking up in a sickbay with his head brimming with new knowledge. So much knowledge in fact that his previous life on Safehold had become distant to him, like a dream.

Not hard to imagine that Spanish might be among the knowledge the "Archangels' servitors" had downloaded into his head.

Peter2 wrote:Agreed. But why? Could it be to allow the archangels' favoured servitors to communicate quickly and easily with each other and their bosses without the ordinary Adams and Eves understanding what they are talking about? If not, what other reasons are likely?

Another possibility could be the partial failure of the mental reprogramming, because of either a glitch in the procedure, or some mental quirk peculiar to Cody.

There is no reason for the Archangels to teach their Seijins Spanish and there is no indication of any failure of the mental programming.

Have you considered the simple explanation that he was taught Spanish by the enemy Seijin? All that was needed was a NEAT-headset and an information download unless the NEAT allows communication with other NEATs in close proximity.

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #22
Post by Keith_w   » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:51 am

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Could it be simply that before creating the Adams and Eves, their prior memories were recorded, the way they do for use in PICAs and then, when the need arose, restored so that they would have the knowledge to operate TF technology and thus, Cody spoke Spanish previously and now can speak and write it again?
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