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Re: Oops
Post by Weird Harold   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:20 pm

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lyonheart wrote:The main limit to this solution is the impression that the destruction is due to a single explosion each , so not all fusion power plants may have been triggered.


Why make things more complicated than they need to be?

Shannon hacked the self-destruct (or Statesec backdoor into the self-destruct) and triggered whatever method PRN ships used to enact a self-destruct command. Does it really matter if the self-destruct is a single huge fusion bomb or a deliberate overload of a fusion reactor.

She had months to upload a trojan-horse that activated all of the StateSec self-destructs with one command over the tactical net.
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Re: Oops
Post by Kytheros   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:48 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
saber964 wrote:..snip..
Not quite on the missiles, most things that get launched or dropped that go boom have arming procedures. In todays militaries all weapons have things like accelerometers and runtime mechanisms. In submarines torpedoes have to run about 2-300yds from the sub to arm and ICBM have to accelerate to there designed speed for the warheads to arm. On the Tomahawk cruise missile the booster pack must drop off and the missile pass a certain speed setting for the warhead to arm.

What is usually referred to as the safety interlocks. Interlocks can he hardwired or they can be in software, the latter opens up some interesting possibilities.

Small craft have, I believe software safeties, in addition to the physical safeties we know for sure about. I expect missiles would have both as well. Sure, the software safety would be well within Foraker's abilities to override/disable, but she wouldn't be able to do a thing about the physical safeties.

I don't think going for the missiles is a viable option.
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Re: Oops
Post by kzt   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:53 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:Why make things more complicated than they need to be?

Shannon hacked the self-destruct (or Statesec backdoor into the self-destruct) and triggered whatever method PRN ships used to enact a self-destruct command. Does it really matter if the self-destruct is a single huge fusion bomb or a deliberate overload of a fusion reactor.

She had months to upload a trojan-horse that activated all of the StateSec self-destructs with one command over the tactical net.

Pretty much my opinion. Why not use the tool already designed to do the job?
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Re: Oops
Post by Weird Harold   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:11 pm

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kzt wrote:Pretty much my opinion. Why not use the tool already designed to do the job?


It worked for Jack McBride, why not Shannon? :lol:
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Re: Oops
Post by ericth   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:34 pm

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There is another possiblity I'd like to throw out, although the wording of the textev doesnt lend to it as much as the theories already presented.

It would be a matter of a few seconds for automated commands to have every non state set ship in the fleet bring up their energy weapons on computer-controlled override and blast the state sec ships, causing the explosions listed in the textev. I personally think an internal explosion is more likely but dont want to rule out the possibility of getting grasered.

Shannon would have had all sorts of access to the systems needed for such a maneuver, with little hacking of other systems required.

Although, there is indirect textev for Peep info security being porous, at least for the internal security (and sufficiently adroid tactical) types. If Shannon availed herself of the backdoors likely in the system, there you go! Instant access!
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Re: Oops
Post by crewdude48   » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:47 pm

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Another idea, inspired by ericth's. Since the SS ships were in the same tac net as our tac witch and her ship, the update she sent might have had the energy weapons on those ships target each other. Again, improbable, but possible.
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Re: Oops
Post by kzt   » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:04 am

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crewdude48 wrote:Another idea, inspired by ericth's. Since the SS ships were in the same tac net as our tac witch and her ship, the update she sent might have had the energy weapons on those ships target each other. Again, improbable, but possible.

More likely than the previous post. David has the whole "guns have to be run out" part, so you can't just fire energy weapons without some time taken and alarms going off. There is also some reasonable suggestions that energy weapons have some sort of focusing element that is part of the sidewall. The statesec ships had already raised their sidewalls and armed their energy weapons, so that works.

However in a typical wall deployment their main armament is not aimed at the other ships in the wall.

So I'd still go for the destruct charges. I actually have no idea if David even knows what she did...
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Re: Oops
Post by ericth   » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:04 am

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crewdude48 wrote:Another idea, inspired by ericth's. Since the SS ships were in the same tac net as our tac witch and her ship, the update she sent might have had the energy weapons on those ships target each other. Again, improbable, but possible.


Now that I think of it, this one could be even more plausible. They were already cleared for action, provided their formation allowed for it, a simple re-targeting would have been far less noticeable than the other ships which weren't at action stations clearing their batteries.
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Re: Oops
Post by Joat42   » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:33 am

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crewdude48 wrote:Another idea, inspired by ericth's. Since the SS ships were in the same tac net as our tac witch and her ship, the update she sent might have had the energy weapons on those ships target each other. Again, improbable, but possible.

Using weapons to destroy a ship takes time, even if the ship doesn't have an active wedge.

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Re: Oops
Post by Rob the Fiend   » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:20 am

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Isn't one of the things re. fire rate, that a missile has to be "primed"? Either charge up the capacitors or start the onboard fusion reactor.

Therefore a deliberate containment failure seems much more likely. And be much,much more destructive. The reactors are in the core of the vessel, missiles that can be tampered with are at the "skin".
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