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Re: HQ Snippet #21 3-27-15
Post by McGuiness   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:25 am

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n7axw wrote:
McGuiness wrote:One slight correction - Clyntahn thinks that he is God, or that whatever he wants is what God wants, so there's no discernible difference. ;)

I'd really like to see the look on his face when he arrives in Hell and finds Langhorne and company waiting for him... :twisted:
Or looking across the abyss and seeing Shan-wei in Paradise...

Don
Yeah, that would be even funnier! :lol:

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Re: Re:My HQ Snippet #21 response
Post by lyonheart   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:24 am

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Hi Larry,

I believe his contract with Tor requires a book a year.

Your theory is interesting, but the series needs to advance against Zion and the temple in a rather major way, especially if its to conclude in only a book or two.

One of the problems with your industrial accident scenario is that while RFC has hinted at one, there is already no single failure point with M96's etc being produced at the Lake Lyman [3 production lines] and Maikelberg works [5 production lines] besides Delthak [3].

Remember even the Hairatha powder mill was only the ICN's #3, nor the total number then mentioned either.

While I expect an ammunition production line for each rifle and pistol, an ammunition 'hiccup' might be more likely, especially with the smokeless propellant and new HE etc.

While your alliance retrenchment plot is interesting, I think the title may more likely refer to the shock the CoGA and continental powers' leadership have when they realise they're really losing the jihad, if not learning its already too late.

The potentially rebellious Chisholm nobles are known and there aren't that many of them [5-6?] to seriously threaten Sharleyan unless they've somehow managed to penetrate the palace, which isn't impossible, but I think the plot will naturally fail of its own internal inconsistencies and limitations, in thing like weapons, especially from Desnar, which might arrive to Rock Coast or someone else who didn't want them in the first place.

Given what faster firing 'angles' or howitzers can do, NTM more mortars etc, the MHoG may be defeated before they even begin to fight, only to realise just how outclassed they really are.

Will there reverses for our heroes?

OF course, when has he ever made it that easy? ;)

L


Larry wrote:UMMM Spoiler alert (Although if your reading a snippet thread, that really seems redundant.)


I've been reading the post string with interest. All the back and forth of will the church be reformed, does Clyntahn get the axe, etc.
I think your all wrong.
I think our friendly neighborhood author is about to throw a curve ball right across the plate.
I think that the winter campaign is going to be phenomenally successful, just as it has looked like it will be till now, but at some point there are going to be two things that happen back in the Empire of Charis. One the Delthak works suffer a major catastrophe (Industrial accident or Rakurai strike, take your pick) causing a major supply crisis and two, the Chisholmian nobility organize a better than average coop attempt against the empire forcing a major diversion of forces intended for the front. I expect this to happen at just the wrong moment for our intrepid hero's and requiring the entire offensive to have to fall back on the mountains and the passes, with a band of scorched earth between them and the Army of God. I think that the story will strongly imply that increasing industry in Siddarmark (and elsewhere)will allow stabilization on the front, and the limited production of the new rifles and ammunition that occurred before the massive industrial disaster killed the assembly lines, will stave off complete disaster. I believe that the EoC forces will causes major damage to the Host of God so that it can't exploit the opportunity, and I believe that the purge of the nobility in Chisholm will leave the Empress free to begin a rapid expansion, with appropriate industrial safeguards in place, in Chisholm. I even think this will allow for expansion opportunities in Corisande as well. So at the end of the next book I think we'll be with a stabilized Siddarmark frontier along the Major mountain ranges and Shiloh, South March, Cliff Peak, Glacierheart, Midhold, Mountaincross,and Northland provinces solidly back in the Alliance hands. New Northhold, Ice March, and Hildermoss provinces essentially no mans lands where a complete lack of logistics support is making it hard for everyone to cross and constant raids by dragoons that both sides will have by then. Tarikah province firmly in church hands and Westmarch province a divided land with both sides in a trench warfare state. Multiple slowly developing new industrial centers (with no single point of failure like the Delthak works represents)bringing industrial capacity back up to were it can allow Charis to reopen the war, and coincidentally stifling the whining about Charis being the only people benefiting and welding everyone into a tighter internal alliance, and the whole development effort being paid for by the newly discovered silver deposits on Silverload.
And I think that David is going to leave it there for a bit while he catches his other series up. I've come to suspect that he really needs to write about some of the other stuff for a while and needs a good pause point. He has cranked out several in a row on this for us, but that's left some of the other series sort of treading water. I have zero evidence for this, and I'll be the first to admit it, but I can't shake the feeling that he and the missus could use a vacation [you know, cruise ship, Bahamas, long tall glasses of adult beverages with umbrellas in them, or maybe a cruise around the Italian peninsula with a visit to old and exotic locations of quaint and picturesque nature and real Neapolitan pizza. Some of you bibliophiles must take one, once in a while] and he's probably feeling like he needs to move some of the other series forward. I think there are several hints that he has, Cheshire Cat style, dropped that a reversal in fortune is coming, just because things are going WAY too well for the alliance, and he wants to bring balance to the force. I can't prove it... but every alarm bell is ringing in my head that an uh-oh moment is coming.
Oh and I think that Clyntahn is going to off Duchairn first, then make him a martyr and proclaim Charis did it.

Larry
(That kettle of fish ought to set some of you off!)
(And lets face it, at the rate the man has been cranking out books for you lot - and me too, since I'm buying them and posting here too - he and the wife eminently deserve a vacation!)
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Re: Re:My HQ Snippet #21 response
Post by McGuiness   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:44 am

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SPOILERS - maybe

I believe this book will give us the ICN seizing the entire Gulf of Dohlar, the Battle of Gorath, and Dohlar being driven back to its borders and cut off from the rest of the CoGA countries. Check the map, it's surrounded by water Silkiah, and Siddarmark. It may have 97 million people (which oddly enough makes it one of the most densely populated countries on the planet, but its military is gutted and its capital is going to suffer a major naval attack, which may include commandos, the destruction of its navy, and the capture and possible execution of its king.

The next book should have the ICN steaming into Temple Bay and the ICA seizing the Temple and obliterating the Temple Guard and Inquisition under Clyntahn's command in the area. Clyntahn will also meet his maker. Too bad the CoC has renounced the Punishment, since if anyone ever deserved it, that narcissistic sociopath does!

Delthak is simply too large and spread out for a major industrial accident, and most of what it does and produces simply isn't explosive. There might be some snafus with the smokeless powder when it becomes available, but nothing on the scale of the Hairatha powder mill sabotage. As lyonheart pointed out, production is starting up in several other locations as well, further mitigating the damage any "major" accident might cause.

I agree that the title of HFQ denotes the doubts the CoGA will feel as its armies lose battle after battle, despite theoretically having God on their side while battling heretics.

The "rebellion" in Chisholm is only a question of time. Since the inner circle is expecting it and has SNARCs listening in, there won't be any surprises. Basically it's a process of giving the rebels enough rope to hang themselves. Don't forget that there are thousands of troops being trained nearby from across the empire who love their emperor and empress, and that devotion approaches idolatry among the common people of Chisholm where Sharleyan is concerned. Any attack on the Empress will end quite badly and bloody, and will get rid of the major impediments to industrializing Chisholm. A nasty TL priest or two will hang, along with a few nobles. Entertaining, but not a threat.

The MHoG is both dangerous, yet unwieldy. If its 600,000 rifles could be brought into battle at the same time, it would be a devastating force. Stacked in a line 3 deep, it could form a firing line more than 12 miles wide! Of course keeping that line supplied with food and especially water during battle would be utterly impossible, as would the logistics of keeping it supplied if it remains in a single group. Should it split into north and south armies and head for Guarnak and wherever Kaitswyrth is hiding (if he's still alive by then) its logistics would be more feasible, although if the ICA manages to cut off the canals and rivers behind it, the MHoG couldn't live off the land and would suffer the same fate as the AoS.

EHM could harry it the entire way down the Daivyn river with dragoons and howitzers, and the death toll his artillery could deal out is almost unimaginable. Depending on whether BGV has trapped or eliminated the AoSG, he could do the same as the CoGA engineers attempt to repair the canals, without which the MHoG cannot advance.

Magwair really needs to split the MHoG into multiple armies since it's so massive and difficult to supply, but Clyntahn is unlikely to go along with that. It's quite dangerous, but I'm not entirely sure whether it will do more damage to the allies or the civilian TLs.

That's my 2 cents for HFQ militarily, and by the end I expect the recapture of all of Siddarmark to be inevitable, since the CoGA's armies should be retreating or destroyed.

Next year, on to Zion! :twisted:
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Re: Re:My HQ Snippet #21 response
Post by n7axw   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:14 am

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McGuiness wrote:SPOILERS - maybe

I believe this book will give us the ICN seizing the entire Gulf of Dohlar, the Battle of Gorath, and Dohlar being driven back to its borders and cut off from the rest of the CoGA countries. Check the map, it's surrounded by water Silkiah, and Siddarmark. It may have 97 million people (which oddly enough makes it one of the most densely populated countries on the planet, but its military is gutted and its capital is going to suffer a major naval attack, which may include commandos, the destruction of its navy, and the capture and possible execution of its king.

The next book should have the ICN steaming into Temple Bay and the ICA seizing the Temple and obliterating the Temple Guard and Inquisition under Clyntahn's command in the area. Clyntahn will also meet his maker. Too bad the CoC has renounced the Punishment, since if anyone ever deserved it, that narcissistic sociopath does!

Delthak is simply too large and spread out for a major industrial accident, and most of what it does and produces simply isn't explosive. There might be some snafus with the smokeless powder when it becomes available, but nothing on the scale of the Hairatha powder mill sabotage. As lyonheart pointed out, production is starting up in several other locations as well, further mitigating the damage any "major" accident might cause.

I agree that the title of HFQ denotes the doubts the CoGA will feel as its armies lose battle after battle, despite theoretically having God on their side while battling heretics.

The "rebellion" in Chisholm is only a question of time. Since the inner circle is expecting it and has SNARCs listening in, there won't be any surprises. Basically it's a process of giving the rebels enough rope to hang themselves. Don't forget that there are thousands of troops being trained nearby from across the empire who love their emperor and empress, and that devotion approaches idolatry among the common people of Chisholm where Sharleyan is concerned. Any attach on the Empress will end quite badly and bloody, and will get rid of the major impediments to industrializing Chisholm. A nasty TL priest or two will hang, along with a few nobles. Entertaining, but not a threat.

The MHoG is both dangerous, yet unwieldy. If its 600,000 rifles could be brought into battle at the same time, it would be a devastating force. Stacked in a line 3 deep, it could form a firing line more than 12 miles wide! Of course keeping that line supplied with food and especially water during battle would be utterly impossible, as would the logistics of keeping it supplied if it remains in a single group. Should it split into north and south armies and head for Guarnak and wherever Kaitswyrth is hiding (if he's still alive by then) its logistics would be more feasible, although if the ICA manages to cut off the canals and rivers behind it, the MHoG couldn't live off the land and would suffer the same fate as the AoS.

EHM could harry it the entire way down the Daivyn river with dragoons and howitzers, and the death toll his artillery could deal out is almost unimaginable. Depending on whether BGV has trapped or eliminated the AoSG, he could do the same as the CoGA engineers attempt to repair the canals, without which the MHoG cannot advance.

Magwair really needs to split the MHoG into multiple armies since it's so massive and difficult to supply, but Clyntahn is unlikely to go along with that. It's quite dangerous, but I'm not entirely sure whether it will do more damage to the allies or the civilian TLs.

That's my 2 cents for HFQ militarily, and by the end I expect the recapture of all of Siddarmark to be inevitable, since the CoGA's armies should be retreating or destroyed.

Next year, on to Zion! :twisted:


Hi McGuiness,

Very nice, plausible piece of analysis.

I think that Sharley's nobles get the headsman, not the noose...

Clyntahn will have to agree to split up that big army. There are too many point of threat not to.

Otherwise I pretty much agree...

Don
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Re: HQ Snippet #21 3-27-15
Post by BarryKirk   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:35 pm

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I'm thinking Clyntahn will kill off Duchairn.
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Re: HQ Snippet #21 3-27-15
Post by n7axw   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:55 pm

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BarryKirk wrote:I'm thinking Clyntahn will kill off Duchairn.


Maybe. The consensus on forum is that Duchairn is plotting against Clyntahn. So if the plot fails, that would be the inevitable outcome.

But maybe not. Duchairn has become a well developed, sympathetic character. PeterZ thinks he will become the one who guides the COGA after a negotiated settlement. I don't agree with Peter, but who knows? Peter might be right.

Don
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Re: HQ Snippet #21 3-27-15
Post by Hildum   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:38 pm

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A more likely accident would be a shipyard accident, delaying the new ironclads or KH's. On the other hand, there are still about 30 tons of powder unaccounted for in TL hands. I am actually surprised that some of it was not used in the last book.
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Re: Re:My HQ Snippet #21 response
Post by lyonheart   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:41 pm

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Hi McGuiness,

200,000+ ranks [for 640K rifles] at a yard per man is almost 114 miles, or almost 95 if only 30" as some sites claim; even splitting the MHoG into 4 'sub armies', since calling them army groups or corps gives them too much credit, would mean battle lines over 28 miles wide, ie at least a whole morning to deploy if the battlefield were even divided across the high road.

What the alliance did during the night is another question. 8-)

The canal barges can supply the whole MHoG, they just can't move much away from the canals or rivers.

Then they need to cover their flanks which can quickly deplete their front line numbers.

There is no textev that Clyntahn is interfering in any way with Magwair's control of the MHoG, so if Allayn wants to split it up Clyntahn will go along, especially if he wants to pursue and punish all the separate alliance forces that have prevented his inevitable NTM god blessed victory.

Isolating Dohlar seems quite possible, particularly under new management, but its some month's away until the KH VII's get there or one or both canals are taken.

Until the next snippet [Saturday?] we will have to wait for further data on the allies progress.

L


McGuiness wrote:SPOILERS - maybe

I believe this book will give us the ICN seizing the entire Gulf of Dohlar, the Battle of Gorath, and Dohlar being driven back to its borders and cut off from the rest of the CoGA countries. Check the map, it's surrounded by water Silkiah, and Siddarmark. It may have 97 million people (which oddly enough makes it one of the most densely populated countries on the planet, but its military is gutted and its capital is going to suffer a major naval attack, which may include commandos, the destruction of its navy, and the capture and possible execution of its king.

The next book should have the ICN steaming into Temple Bay and the ICA seizing the Temple and obliterating the Temple Guard and Inquisition under Clyntahn's command in the area. Clyntahn will also meet his maker. Too bad the CoC has renounced the Punishment, since if anyone ever deserved it, that narcissistic sociopath does!

Delthak is simply too large and spread out for a major industrial accident, and most of what it does and produces simply isn't explosive. There might be some snafus with the smokeless powder when it becomes available, but nothing on the scale of the Hairatha powder mill sabotage. As lyonheart pointed out, production is starting up in several other locations as well, further mitigating the damage any "major" accident might cause.

I agree that the title of HFQ denotes the doubts the CoGA will feel as its armies lose battle after battle, despite theoretically having God on their side while battling heretics.

The "rebellion" in Chisholm is only a question of time. Since the inner circle is expecting it and has SNARCs listening in, there won't be any surprises. Basically it's a process of giving the rebels enough rope to hang themselves. Don't forget that there are thousands of troops being trained nearby from across the empire who love their emperor and empress, and that devotion approaches idolatry among the common people of Chisholm where Sharleyan is concerned. Any attach on the Empress will end quite badly and bloody, and will get rid of the major impediments to industrializing Chisholm. A nasty TL priest or two will hang, along with a few nobles. Entertaining, but not a threat.

The MHoG is both dangerous, yet unwieldy. If its 600,000 rifles could be brought into battle at the same time, it would be a devastating force. Stacked in a line 3 deep, it could form a firing line more than 12 miles wide! Of course keeping that line supplied with food and especially water during battle would be utterly impossible, as would the logistics of keeping it supplied if it remains in a single group. Should it split into north and south armies and head for Guarnak and wherever Kaitswyrth is hiding (if he's still alive by then) its logistics would be more feasible, although if the ICA manages to cut off the canals and rivers behind it, the MHoG couldn't live off the land and would suffer the same fate as the AoS.

EHM could harry it the entire way down the Daivyn river with dragoons and howitzers, and the death toll his artillery could deal out is almost unimaginable. Depending on whether BGV has trapped or eliminated the AoSG, he could do the same as the CoGA engineers attempt to repair the canals, without which the MHoG cannot advance.

Magwair really needs to split the MHoG into multiple armies since it's so massive and difficult to supply, but Clyntahn is unlikely to go along with that. It's quite dangerous, but I'm not entirely sure whether it will do more damage to the allies or the civilian TLs.

That's my 2 cents for HFQ militarily, and by the end I expect the recapture of all of Siddarmark to be inevitable, since the CoGA's armies should be retreating or destroyed.

Next year, on to Zion! :twisted:
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Re: HQ Snippet #21 3-27-15
Post by Peter2   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:22 pm

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The way weapons are developing on Safehold, we may not be far away from the development of the Gatling gun, or even the Maxim. It somebody has the brain-wave about marrying the idea of of the artillery's recoil dampers to portable weapons, he'll be half-way there. And if that happens, I don't give much for the army of Harchong's chances, even with their huge numbers.
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Re: Re:My HQ Snippet #21 response
Post by McGuiness   » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:59 pm

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n7axw wrote:Hi McGuiness,

Very nice, plausible piece of analysis.

I think that Sharley's nobles get the headsman, not the noose...

Clyntahn will have to agree to split up that big army. There are too many point of threat not to.

Otherwise I pretty much agree...

Don
Oops, I should have remembered that the sentence for treason is beheading. Heaven knows Sharley has had enough rebels beheaded by now that it should be impossible to forget. My bad! ;)

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