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Spacekiwi wrote:Hell, my brothers going through elec tech training, and his basic training was 5 months, and then this branch training will be a year. add in the gaps between basic training and his branch training, to allow for shipboard training (4 weeks or so for him), and you come pretty close to 2 years. And he comes out of the training the lowest et level you can be.

SWM wrote:That's on Earth today. In Manticore, you spend two years in training before you get on board a ship, and that's during wartime. And that's for tech third class.

stewart wrote:[
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Just a comment --

The USN Technical schools (and the USAF/USA/USMC/USCG) teach a basic platform / skill level. They also act as a filtering process.
After the budding technician gets to their first command, they start on OJT (on-the-job training) applying their school lessons to "real life" with weekly / monthly / periodic maintenance on working systems and inspections of that maintenance (on which their shore liberty depends)
While doing this they are also qualifying General Damage Control, general maintenance (OpNav 4790.4 series anyone ?) and their warfare qualifications (Sub dolphins, ESWS/EAWS/SCWS etc).

When we received anyone from either a school command or another fleet command, they were generally tag-teamed with another on-board tech for at least 2 months before they did maintenance on their own.

-- Stewart
ET1 / USN (ret)
(btw also x-Nuc)

kzt wrote:David wrote this book about a bunch of neobarbaians with minimal OTJ and no formal navy training running a ship full of second-rate tech getting in a fight with a top notch crew from a top notch navy equipped with the most modern equipment. So you might think about reading Homor of the Queen sometime.

MAD-4A wrote:Yes, Quite right...and as I recall...If not for the completely improbable happenstance of having to face a super-brilliant captain commanding the opposing force AND having their own captain panic & screw the pooch royally, the rest of the "untrained neo-barb" crew would have succeeded. Had, instead of HMS Fearless, it been HMS Warlock with Pavel Young (or Elvis Santino - both fully trained, high ranking, highly experienced & highly incompetent Naval officers), Grayson would have been GONE!

MAD-4A wrote:

kzt wrote:David wrote this book about a bunch of neobarbaians with minimal OTJ and no formal navy training running a ship full of second-rate tech getting in a fight with a top notch crew from a top notch navy equipped with the most modern equipment. So you might think about reading Homor of the Queen sometime.

Yes, Quite right...and as I recall...If not for the completely improbable happenstance of having to face a super-brilliant captain commanding the opposing force AND having their own captain panic & screw the pooch royally, the rest of the "untrained neo-barb" crew would have succeeded. Had, instead of HMS Fearless, it been HMS Warlock with Pavel Young (or Elvis Santino - both fully trained, high ranking, highly experienced & highly incompetent Naval officers), Grayson would have been GONE!

kzt wrote:David wrote this book about a bunch of neobarbaians with minimal OTJ and no formal navy training running a ship full of second-rate tech getting in a fight with a top notch crew from a top notch navy equipped with the most modern equipment. So you might think about reading Homor of the Queen sometime.

munroburton wrote: I wouldn't call Harrington in Honor of the Queen super-brilliant. She screwed up at least twice tactically - the first time against that LAC which got an attack run in and the second, when she broke off the engagement with Saladin.

It wasn't just Sword Simonds' panic that let the Masadans down either - their tac department was running canned EW programs, which let Cardones land a few contact nukes.

Similarly in the Battle of Monica, after another bunch of neobarbs(significantly less technophobic than the Masadans too) were given ex-SLN battlecruisers. One of their engineers screwed up and let a fusion reactor blow up because of patronage/inexperience/insufficient training/being thrown into action earlier than expected.

Yet this time, he was painfully aware of his shortcomings. In the last two weeks he'd begun finding his way around, well enough, at least, that he was pretty sure his ratings and petty officers were no longer laughing behind his back. And he had to admit the Technodyne technicians were right; Typhoon's power rooms really were laid out better, with controls that were easier to use. They just weren't the controls Tyler had spent three and a half T-years learning like the back of his own hand aboard the cruiser Star Fury.
As he listened to the alarms howl, he hoped the damage control parties had learned their equipment better than he'd learned his.
...
Power surges cascaded through her systems, starting in Impeller One and Laser Three. Automatic circuit breakers stopped most of them, but three of the breakers themselves had been knocked out. Rampant energy surged past them, and a broadside graser's superconductor ring blew, shattering internal bulkheads and adding its own massive power to the surge.
The surge that came roaring down the graser's main feed trunk and straight into Power One.
The untamed torrent of energy thundered into the compartment, and an already nervous petty officer leapt back as his control panel blew up. He fell to the decksole on the seat of his pants as electrical fires danced through the control runs, and an alarm began to scream.
...
"Captain, this is Tyler, in Power One!" the young voice in Captain Schroeder's earbug was raw with terror. "We're losing containment on Fusion One!"
"Shut it down!"
"Sir, I'm trying, but—"

Bill Woods wrote:

munroburton wrote: I wouldn't call Harrington in Honor of the Queen super-brilliant. She screwed up at least twice tactically - the first time against that LAC which got an attack run in and the second, when she broke off the engagement with Saladin.

It wasn't just Sword Simonds' panic that let the Masadans down either - their tac department was running canned EW programs, which let Cardones land a few contact nukes.

Similarly in the Battle of Monica, after another bunch of neobarbs(significantly less technophobic than the Masadans too) were given ex-SLN battlecruisers. One of their engineers screwed up and let a fusion reactor blow up because of patronage/inexperience/insufficient training/being thrown into action earlier than expected.

I think that's kind of unfair. I mean, he did lack experience and training, but I don't see a clear screw up.

Yet this time, he was painfully aware of his shortcomings. In the last two weeks he'd begun finding his way around, well enough, at least, that he was pretty sure his ratings and petty officers were no longer laughing behind his back. And he had to admit the Technodyne technicians were right; Typhoon's power rooms really were laid out better, with controls that were easier to use. They just weren't the controls Tyler had spent three and a half T-years learning like the back of his own hand aboard the cruiser Star Fury.
As he listened to the alarms howl, he hoped the damage control parties had learned their equipment better than he'd learned his.
...
Power surges cascaded through her systems, starting in Impeller One and Laser Three. Automatic circuit breakers stopped most of them, but three of the breakers themselves had been knocked out. Rampant energy surged past them, and a broadside graser's superconductor ring blew, shattering internal bulkheads and adding its own massive power to the surge.
The surge that came roaring down the graser's main feed trunk and straight into Power One.
The untamed torrent of energy thundered into the compartment, and an already nervous petty officer leapt back as his control panel blew up. He fell to the decksole on the seat of his pants as electrical fires danced through the control runs, and an alarm began to scream.
...
"Captain, this is Tyler, in Power One!" the young voice in Captain Schroeder's earbug was raw with terror. "We're losing containment on Fusion One!"
"Shut it down!"
"Sir, I'm trying, but—"

In hindsight, calling the captain was a waste of time, but unless there's a Big Red Button he should have pushed, I don't think you can say he wasn't just overwhelmed by the circumstances. 'Golden BBs' do happen.

Spacekiwi wrote:Pretty much what I was trying to say. thanks.


Yeah, he comes out of school after 2 years, but thats his basic branch training, and still leaves him needing to learn the advanced stuff. He expects to spend at least a year shipboard learning, as 'lucky' for him, they are going through a refit and upgrade process on some of the electronics and combat systems, among others. So he will spend as much time learning to be a naval sparky as it took me to get a degree........ They train those boys and girls well.

stewart wrote:[
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Just a comment --

The USN Technical schools (and the USAF/USA/USMC/USCG) teach a basic platform / skill level. They also act as a filtering process.
After the budding technician gets to their first command, they start on OJT (on-the-job training) applying their school lessons to "real life" with weekly / monthly / periodic maintenance on working systems and inspections of that maintenance (on which their shore liberty depends)
While doing this they are also qualifying General Damage Control, general maintenance (OpNav 4790.4 series anyone ?) and their warfare qualifications (Sub dolphins, ESWS/EAWS/SCWS etc).

When we received anyone from either a school command or another fleet command, they were generally tag-teamed with another on-board tech for at least 2 months before they did maintenance on their own.

-- Stewart
ET1 / USN (ret)
(btw also x-Nuc)

munroburton wrote:I wouldn't call Harrington in Honor of the Queen super-brilliant. She screwed up at least twice tactically - the first time against that LAC which got an attack run in

munroburton wrote:... and the second, when she broke off the engagement with Saladin.