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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by Alistair   » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:01 pm

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I'm not so sure Caleb will survive, I can imagine him dying in combat with Sharelyn taking over the empire.

She might even make Tellesburg the sole capital.

I'm not saying its getting "easy" for the good guys but at the moment the Temple is getting a hammering and I can guess for both reading purposes of creating a climax and the fact that he does't right military "porn" that Caleb or maybe another very important main character dying this book at the end.

I guess we will see...
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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by Larry   » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:33 pm

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Nope not the Emperor. I agree with the speculation about Hanath and I could see it being him, but my money is on Ehdwyrd Howsmyn. I foresee a Rakuri strike (either church type or OBS) on the Delthak works with resultant explosion killing our favorite industrialist.
Oh and count me among those that think Thirsk is not long for the living. I foresee him once again being on the losing end of a naval battle (through no fault of his own) and the Inquisition deciding he's just out of luck and time.
I think RFC was actually throwing us a curve ball by, for once, actually showing us exactly the truth, knowing we would suspect deviousness on his part.

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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:32 am

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Hi Dwileye13,

I think this is a weberism too.

Contrived and very close to the full textev as was the mention of Hector's mortal wounding in the LaMA pistol range snippet [#7 IIRC], but still far less than complete in its implications.

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dwileye13 wrote:
n7axw wrote:I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I think Thirsk is toast. We'll have to see how it works out.

Don


I respect and look forward to your posts, but on this one I tink ya be wrong.

The snippet with Thirsk being shot is IMHO a weberism - slight of hand so to speak. Most likely a scene played in front of some notable individual to convince him Thirsk has been dealt with while leaving Alvyhn in good stead with whomever is the audience.

I am most likely wrong but given I like Thirsk and we know Alvyhn and Thirsk were plotting something . . . . . . I can only wait and see
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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:55 am

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Hi McGuiness,

Thanks for another great post.

Actually Hanth may not be as outnumbered by Rychtyr as you think.

Ahlverez and Rychtyr's combined force was only around 90,000 according to the report Hanth received back in July, LaMA [chapter 4], so if Ahlverez took 80,000 with him to Fort Tairys, Rychtyr only had around 7,000 men to keep Hanth in Thesmar, given the ~3000 Dohlaran casualties from the attack on Thesmar, while Hanth has up around 21,000 in the field, which is just one very good reason Rychtyr retreated to Everytyn.

Then there's the question of where the last 50,000+ ICA from Port Royal are [Sept. chapter 10], which since they left at the end of September have had plenty of time to reach the various fronts, including reinforcing Hanth.

Again I'd prefer they took the Salthar Canal, but with Nynian's help, [intel, horses and safe-houses etc] they may nor need quite so many to grab the locks using scout snipers infiltrating from North watch before the ironclads' towed reinforcements arrive.

Given the state of Silkiah's limited military capability at the moment, half that force might initially suffice.

From the textev, the ICN wasn't planning on entering the Bay of Bess until the KH VII's arrive in July at the earliest, so getting ironclads there by late March or early April will be a nasty shock, not just to the Dohlarans.

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McGuiness wrote:
Alistair wrote:At the moment the good guys have a good head of steam in military victories and consolidating the empire and the Eastern Siddarmark.

So will David kill off a main character good guy in this forth coming book in the Temples response to the battles happening?

Caleb for example?
Cayleb will survive the series - unless RFC does a generational jump and we learn that Cayleb has died peacefully of old age in his sleep. Should the Big Reveal allow OWL to fire up the TF nannites and medications used for prolong, Cayleb will survive for at least a couple of centuries, perhaps long enough to see the Safehold Federation fleets set off in search off the Gbaba.

The one character I do worry about is Hanth. He's undermanned, his forces are spread across a wide front, and he's about to meet the church's St. Kylmahn breech loading rifles, hand grenades, mines, and rifled artillery for the first time at Evrytyn, and he doesn't know it. He's actually going to be outgunned.

So unless the Delthak arrives in time and has the range to blow away the CoGA defenses, the allies could face a nasty butcher's bill there. I don't think they'll lose, since blowing up any of the locks on the Sheryl - Seridahn canal west of Evrytyn, would force the Dohlarans to retreat eventually, but unless Duke Eastshare shows up (which I expect he will) then Hanth is quite vulnerable to a counterattack.

Not being in the inner circle or having anyone on his staff who is exacerbates his danger. Seijin Zhevons may need to pay him a visit to save his bacon - and perhaps introduce him to the inner circle as well. Ideally Hanth would have been inducted into the inner circle before he took his initial command, since he certainly seems to be the type who could handle the Big Reveal, and he's alone at the end of a very long supply chain.

If DE army joins him, they'll be able to drive Dohlar back to its own borders and capture Dairynth, cut off the southern supply route for Kaitswyrth, (which the ICN is about to do anyway) and capture the Dairynth - Alyksberg canal, which would give the Delthak II ironclads a path to the Gulf of Dohlar, where they could take out Gorath Bay's defenses all by themselves, according to RFC. :twisted:

But if Hanth is left alone and vulnerable... :?
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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by n7axw   » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:57 am

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All I have here is my gut feeling and I've been wrong before. Not a bad thing, really. It keeps me humble... or at least as humble as I ever get!! :lol:

Actually, on this one I hope you guys are right.

Don
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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:00 am

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Hi Larry,

Not a Rakurai, and certainly not an OBS, but RFC has hinted at an industrial accident.

But for what it's worth, he hasn't hinted Howsmyn is killed.

But if M96 production at Delthak were halted for repairs in the first half of the year, the number reaching the fronts might be halved, with all the problems that might entail.

L


Larry wrote:Nope not the Emperor. I agree with the speculation about Hanath and I could see it being him, but my money is on Ehdwyrd Howsmyn. I foresee a Rakuri strike (either church type or OBS) on the Delthak works with resultant explosion killing our favorite industrialist.
Oh and count me among those that think Thirsk is not long for the living. I foresee him once again being on the losing end of a naval battle (through no fault of his own) and the Inquisition deciding he's just out of luck and time.
I think RFC was actually throwing us a curve ball by, for once, actually showing us exactly the truth, knowing we would suspect deviousness on his part.

Larry
Any snippet or post from RFC is good if not great!
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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:10 am

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Hi Don,

I know my initial reaction was the same as yours, that he's certainly dead, and you may well be right; it seems there's no way out for Thirsk, but that's happened before in RFC's universe's.

If King Gorjah were killed by the Rakurai, that could mess up Tarot, so Sharleyan might have to visit and confirm the regency etc.

Of course she would probably then go on to visit Siddar City, which would nuke Cayleb's objections, as well as impress all the Siddarmarkians with her beauty, poise, strength wisdom and humor.

NTM, the ICA troops, especially the Chisholmians, would really appreciate a visit as well.

So there might not be too many downsides, not that I have anything against King Gorjah, quite the opposite.

L


n7axw wrote:All I have here is my gut feeling and I've been wrong before. Not a bad thing, really. It keeps me humble... or at least as humble as I ever get!! :lol:

Actually, on this one I hope you guys are right.

Don
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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by JeffEngel   » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:40 pm

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Larry wrote:Nope not the Emperor. I agree with the speculation about Hanath and I could see it being him, but my money is on Ehdwyrd Howsmyn. I foresee a Rakuri strike (either church type or OBS) on the Delthak works with resultant explosion killing our favorite industrialist.
A simple, innocent industrial accident could do the same thing. With rapid expansion, so much on-the-job training, new processes, and wartime urgency, accidents are almost inevitable. Draconian safety procedures make the difference between many of them and some, not some and none.
Oh and count me among those that think Thirsk is not long for the living. I foresee him once again being on the losing end of a naval battle (through no fault of his own) and the Inquisition deciding he's just out of luck and time.
I think RFC was actually throwing us a curve ball by, for once, actually showing us exactly the truth, knowing we would suspect deviousness on his part.

Larry

Could be. And if the Inquisition was likely to come for him, Kahpyr may be shooting him dead first as a mercy, not an assassination. Thirsk would still, sadly, end up dead, and RFC would still have toyed with our expectations with selective snippetting.
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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by LadyWhirlwind   » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:42 pm

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Well now that there are two PCIAs, RFC could kill of one :D

Although I doubt he'll do it in this book.

Also didn't RFC hint at an industrial accident or something like this? Could well kill an important person.
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Re: Spoiler Will a main good guy character die this book?
Post by lyonheart   » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:53 pm

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Hi JeffEngel,

Of course, if they dump his body overboard, Merlin could be waiting underwater to rescue Thirsk and get him to the recon skimmer or air bus etc where his wound(s) could be treated.

L


JeffEngel wrote:
Larry wrote:Nope not the Emperor. I agree with the speculation about Hanath and I could see it being him, but my money is on Ehdwyrd Howsmyn. I foresee a Rakuri strike (either church type or OBS) on the Delthak works with resultant explosion killing our favorite industrialist.
A simple, innocent industrial accident could do the same thing. With rapid expansion, so much on-the-job training, new processes, and wartime urgency, accidents are almost inevitable. Draconian safety procedures make the difference between many of them and some, not some and none.
Oh and count me among those that think Thirsk is not long for the living. I foresee him once again being on the losing end of a naval battle (through no fault of his own) and the Inquisition deciding he's just out of luck and time.
I think RFC was actually throwing us a curve ball by, for once, actually showing us exactly the truth, knowing we would suspect deviousness on his part.

Larry

Could be. And if the Inquisition was likely to come for him, Kahpyr may be shooting him dead first as a mercy, not an assassination. Thirsk would still, sadly, end up dead, and RFC would still have toyed with our expectations with selective snippetting.
Any snippet or post from RFC is good if not great!
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