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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by munroburton   » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:49 am

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stewart wrote:
SharkHunter wrote:I was going to say "Steadholder Burdette" coming within sword range of Honor when she was righteously pissed. That said, he did save on his own personal embarrasment and shorten his "trial" down to a few microseconds, and saved the planet the cost of any appeals...

Decapitation will do that for you.


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Two parts - the head and the rest of the body. Honor only made two cuts and the first one only sliced part-way through his chest. The second was a full decapitation.
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by BobfromSydney   » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:24 am

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Cthia:
It was only after SWM's point that I realised what the first 'word' was. Figuring out that pretty much solved the rest.
My first reaction was it may be ROT13 or simple substitution (because of the Enigma Red Herring) - then on reading the words I thought some kind of pig-latin variant. Then I thought it involved letter swapping the first/last letters with the adjacent words.

What I am curious about is would reading the plaintext actually upset him? Considering she has turned into a background/secondary character at this point I suppose it would not have hurt the narrative too much to have [more of a] tearjerker ending to AAC. I think I would have been able to accept that ending (although I would have been sad too...)

The whole thing reminds me of Doyle whacking the great detective.
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by cthia   » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:06 am

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BobfromSydney wrote:Cthia:
It was only after SWM's point that I realised what the first 'word' was. Figuring out that pretty much solved the rest.
My first reaction was it may be ROT13 or simple substitution (because of the Enigma Red Herring) - then on reading the words I thought some kind of pig-latin variant. Then I thought it involved letter swapping the first/last letters with the adjacent words.

What I am curious about is would reading the plaintext actually upset him? Considering she has turned into a background/secondary character at this point I suppose it would not have hurt the narrative too much to have [more of a] tearjerker ending to AAC. I think I would have been able to accept that ending (although I would have been sad too...)

The whole thing reminds me of Doyle whacking the great detective.

Wow.

Bob, I had totally forgotten about that encrypted post. I really didn't try to make it too difficult. Initially, I had alternated positions of the extra letters from first to last positions in each word. Then I added random letters to the last two words, since I ran out of extra letters. But after doing so, I worried that it may have been too difficult, so ultimately I went with the existing. As I said, I didn't mean for it to be difficult at all, just less obtrusive, or obvious.

And you're right, in that he may not have taken umbrage at the post, but out of respect and caution, I didn't want to take any chances. Because my real concern was a "Well I'll show him!!!," reaction.

Then the mob would have come after me! :lol:


Oh, and, speaking for myself and what I've heard from friends, it would have killed everything for us. I seriously don't think I'd have continued.

Thanks for the post.

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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by roseandheather   » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:13 pm

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roseandheather wrote:Giancola. :evil: Of all the careless, cruel, thick-headed, cruel, selfish, cruel, thoughtless, selfish, cruel asshats in this 'verse, I hate Giancola the most.

I will never forgive him for what he did to my girl. Not if I live to see the death of the universe. I only wish he had died in a more painful, bloody, agonizing, prolonged fashion. Hung, drawn and quartered would be good. So would being torn apart by wild horses. Or flayed open and doused with saltwater.



How about being fed to pigs live.


My only concern is that the pigs will get to the back of the neck too quickly, so his death won't be at its maximum agonizing potential. Now, if you could ensure me that he could feel every second of it.... :twisted:
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by BobfromSydney   » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:28 pm

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Cthia:

It didn't take me more than 2-3 minutes to solve it, but I tend to be very procedural, so the first things that came to mind were techniques I knew about. I guess I just shared the thought process that went through my head when I saw it.

So what was the story of the great revolt anyway? How did the forum find out about the plans for AAC and how did everyone convince him to change his mind?
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by roseandheather   » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:49 pm

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BobfromSydney wrote:Cthia:

It didn't take me more than 2-3 minutes to solve it, but I tend to be very procedural, so the first things that came to mind were techniques I knew about. I guess I just shared the thought process that went through my head when I saw it.

So what was the story of the great revolt anyway? How did the forum find out about the plans for AAC and how did everyone convince him to change his mind?


Actually, the forumites had nothing to do with it. They (and I say 'they' because at the time AAC was being written, I was inhaling David Eddings, not David Weber) didn't even exist - though Baen's Bar did, and apparently quite a few Barflies joined the forum when it first went online.

No, the man we have to thank for that happy accident is Eric Flint, who was shortlisted for my "Favorite Person in the Universe" award when he also accelerated the Grand Alliance by several decades. You see, Victor Cachat and Anton Zilwicki - Flint's playground - threw a wrench into the works of the Mesan Alignment, forcing them to enact their plan early. RFC had intended to kill Honor off at the height of the Battle of Manticore - the first one - and then time skip several decades, to where her daughter and son would pick up the action against the Solarian League and Mesa. But the Spook Duo tripped the MAlign up, they had to move early, and so Honor was spared - saving RFC a rebellion that would have made the Committee of Public Safety jealous. And sparing my poor heart several decades of a mutually-hostile-but-slowly-thawing relationship between Manticore and Haven. This is also why the Grand Alliance seems a bit sudden to some people - it is. (Of course, my reaction to the GA was, "it's about bloody time!!" but then I am a lowlife Havenite sympathizer. :mrgreen:
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by cthia   » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:33 am

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BobfromSydney wrote:Cthia:
It didn't take me more than 2-3 minutes to solve it, but I tend to be very procedural, so the first things that came to mind were techniques I knew about. I guess I just shared the thought process that went through my head when I saw it.

So what was the story of the great revolt anyway? How did the forum find out about the plans for AAC and how did everyone convince him to change his mind?

I'm glad you solved it quickly. By the emails I received, too many failed to solve it at all.

I appreciate your thought process. *The ROT13 reference was funny. But what was funnier and more interesting was your mention of pig latin. Funny because, well it is. Interesting because I actually gave much thought, through trial and error to the actual scrambling of the letters. I tried to make the letters phonetically spell something as it was determined in a study once that a phonetic component to jumbled letters works best as it lures the thought process down a fake path.

*And because my niece and I used to try and stump each other with ROT13 like derivatives which turned into contests of writing the shortest ROT13 algorithms.

Lisp always produced the shortest algorithms for me. And the quickest too.

http://en.literateprograms.org/Rot13_%28Java%29

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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by cthia   » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:40 am

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This is NOT going to be a popular post, but I've wrapped my gonads in Duckk tape for protection. :D

Paul Tankersley, or anyone for that matter, accepting a duel is one of the stupidest things in the Honorverse.

Whatever the hell happened to...

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"

or...

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but guns will only kill me?"

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by crewdude48   » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:51 am

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cthia wrote:This is NOT going to be a popular post, but I've wrapped my gonads in Duckk tape for protection. :D

Paul Tankersley, or anyone for that matter, accepting a duel is one of the stupidest things in the Honorverse.

Whatever the hell happened to...

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"

or...

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but guns will only kill me?"


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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by cthia   » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:09 am

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crewdude48 wrote:
cthia wrote:This is NOT going to be a popular post, but I've wrapped my gonads in Duckk tape for protection. :D

Paul Tankersley, or anyone for that matter, accepting a duel is one of the stupidest things in the Honorverse.

Whatever the hell happened to...

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"

or...

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but guns will only kill me?"


http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... ngton/28/1

Pummeling his sorry ass in the streets would have been less fatal and even more desirable.

No, it wouldn't have been legal. It would have been survivable.

Dying was legal. I suppose living wasn't.

JMO.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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