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Re: What did Schuler know?
Post by n7axw   » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:06 pm

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Guardiandashi wrote:from my reading of the various stories, what I got was several things.

1 Organic Nimue was part of a conspiracy initiated on earth to coincide with the Intended Plan (By TPTB)

2 Nimue arranged to get her PICA into the mission equipment as a minor and insignificant violation of the intended tech base the Colonists were intended to have, and the administrators and planners likely didn't consider it significant enough to care about.

3 Nimue then transferred to the Military "decoy fleet" in order to cause confusion of the records (and drop her PICA off the official list of what went to the colony. )

4 Shan-We, and Admirial Pe (sp) made arrangements to build and outfit Nimue's "cave" in secret while Langhorn and the other "traitors" were busy sabotaging the mission (and arranging to make themselves one step short of "god" )

5 The cave was hidden in such a way as to defeat the best sensors the Terraforming team (and I believe the active military) had access to it would have required longhorn and his traitors to "know" exactly what the threat was, and /or be paranoid enough to search for low probability issues that they likely NEVER thought of, (as they were busy congratulating themselves for pulling a fast one on the government, and planned colony intents. )

6 there has yet to be released anything indicating that Schuler had any concerns and or reason to be worried about a hidden PICA.

7 while Langhorn and his group had access to a lot of material and at least some manufacturing capabilities the things I remember them doing was: building a new temple as a monument to themselves, covering said temple with armorplast to protect it, outfitting said new temple with ac and other "wonders" and "magic" that did violate the letter and spirit of the lowtech plan, but didn't violate the "common sense" prohibitions that would generate footprints that the Gbaba could home in on, (it was noted that the aircars had a MUCH higher signature than Alexandria had.

8 the other thing we don't know is how many layers of precautions did shan-we make, such as records caches, deep buried bunkers and such. We do know that she had gotten a number of people out of Alexandria as Moles and other deep cover agents (to preserve the knowledge) and that her "basic" plans and facilities were not up to surviving the orbital bombardment pasting that they got.


Phew! :mrgreen: Finally someone who writes in plain English! I hope that whatever the rest of you guys have caught isn't contagious... gonna have to make sure my vacinations are up to date!

Nice analysis, by the way...

Don
When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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Re: What did Schuler know?
Post by anwi   » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:55 am

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Tonto Silerheels wrote:Moreover, anwi wrote something like, "In deed, by petitio principii and argumentum ad consequentiam the writ has every reason to warn against demons preaching sedition." Petitio principii means, "I'm right because I'm right" and argumentum ad consequentiam means something like "I'm right because it's too horrible to think about what if I'm wrong." So, once again, anwi is right because of ex falso quadlibet. Sorry, "anything follows from a contradiction." I conclude that anwi means that even if he's wrong then the writ might include an injunction against demons preaching sedition, and he's right again. I'm stymied at every turn. I feel like a chess neophyte playing against Boris Spassky.

~Tonto


Some quite good explanations, there. However, my second "non sequitur" was simply:
The combination (-R i.e. "The command crew/Schueler knew about a rogue PICA on Safehold" is false, Q i.e. "There's a warning in the writ against demons preaching sedition" is true) equals the empty set does not follow, i.e. its non-existence is not proven.
(I had to find something to replace the negated existence-quantor :geek: , and that was the closest I came up with...)
Moreover, if someone obviously uses and even appeals to several fallacies in reasoning (intentionally by their latin names - another fallacy...) and then asks if there might be questionable assumptions, I'd get mighty suspicious. He might not mean literally what he's written.

So while you can't logically prove from RFC's statement that Q is false, seriously assuming anything else shows a lack of common sense, in my opinion.
That's valid as long as RFC decides to disprove it...

BTW: Don might refocus his eyeballs now...
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Re: What did Schuler know?
Post by anwi   » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:01 am

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Guardiandashi wrote:6 there has yet to be released anything indicating that Schuler had any concerns and or reason to be worried about a hidden PICA.


Well, I do read RFC's explanation up-thread to quite clearly debunk that theory.
But, technically, that statement is true... ;)
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