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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Joat42   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:52 pm

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chrisd wrote:Can we be rid of all the "ISO-" numbers, especially ISO-9000 series and the ISO-14000.

get rid of the "dates" confusion by using an alphanumeric form, spell out the month that there's no confusion e.g. 6th January 1947.

If we did that there would be almost no working technology at all and what worked would be a total mess...

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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by anwi   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:31 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
chrisd wrote:Can we be rid of all the "ISO-" numbers, especially ISO-9000 series and the ISO-14000.

get rid of the "dates" confusion by using an alphanumeric form, spell out the month that there's no confusion e.g. 6th January 1947.

If we did that there would be almost no working technology at all and what worked would be a total mess...


If ridding ourselves from the ISO-9000s and ISO-14000s only were to come with the demise of project controlling, it might be worthwhile. Just dreaming...
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Highjohn   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:01 pm

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The next pi year is 3141. Pi days will occur on the fourteenth day of march for ISO. There will however be no years which align to pie with months or days until the sun has ceases to exist, possibly this galaxy and even the universe as well.

3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117068

That is 100 digits of pi and the next alignment of pi is on digit 96 in November. The days still don't align though.
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Joat42   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:10 pm

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anwi wrote:
chrisd wrote:Can we be rid of all the "ISO-" numbers, especially ISO-9000 series and the ISO-14000.

get rid of the "dates" confusion by using an alphanumeric form, spell out the month that there's no confusion e.g. 6th January 1947.
Joat42 wrote:If we did that there would be almost no working technology at all and what worked would be a total mess...


If ridding ourselves from the ISO-9000s and ISO-14000s only were to come with the demise of project controlling, it might be worthwhile. Just dreaming...

Most people doesn't understand what ISO-9000 and 14000 is. The practical result of implementing 9000 and/or 14000 is a binder describing your workplaces QA practices and/or a binder for environmental management. Simply put, what is in those binders is up to the people who write them and if your workplace is bogged down because of this, blame your managers and not the standard.

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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by anwi   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:41 pm

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Joat42 wrote:Most people doesn't understand what ISO-9000 and 14000 is. The practical result of implementing 9000 and/or 14000 is a binder describing your workplaces QA practices and/or a binder for environmental management. Simply put, what is in those binders is up to the people who write them and if your workplace is bogged down because of this, blame your managers and not the standard.

I know. Now, who explains it to project management and controlling people?
(Granted, there are some who got it right in the first, unfortunately, you don't meet them that often...)
But we're digressing from the metric systems to some measurement...
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Joat42   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:49 pm

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Found this post on a blog today, and it ties neatly into the discussion we have had here. It's written by a guy called Alessandro Rossini and IMO it's spot on.

It starts with a quote:
Wild Thing by Josh Bazell wrote:In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade — which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to 'How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?' is 'Go f*ck yourself,' because you can't directly relate any of those quantities.

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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by chrisd   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:18 pm

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Joat42 wrote:Found this post on a blog today, and it ties neatly into the discussion we have had here. It's written by a guy called Alessandro Rossini and IMO it's spot on.

It starts with a quote:
Wild Thing by Josh Bazell wrote:In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade — which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to 'How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?' is 'Go f*ck yourself,' because you can't directly relate any of those quantities.


let's take an Imperial Gallon = 10 Lbs. of water

Room temperature, as specified minimum under the "Offices, Shops & Railway Premises Act" of 60ºF to be raised to 212ºF = 152ºF change

Total Energy required is 10 x 152 B.Th.U. = 1,520 BThU
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by chrisd   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:20 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
chrisd wrote:Can we be rid of all the "ISO-" numbers, especially ISO-9000 series and the ISO-14000.

get rid of the "dates" confusion by using an alphanumeric form, spell out the month that there's no confusion e.g. 6th January 1947.

If we did that there would be almost no working technology at all and what worked would be a total mess...


Much technology was developed LONG before these bureaucratic nightmares were foisted on us.
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Keith_w   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:48 pm

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chrisd wrote: quote="Joat42"

Found this post on a blog today, and it ties neatly into the discussion we have had here. It's written by a guy called Alessandro Rossini and IMO it's spot on.

It starts with a quote:
quote="Wild Thing by Josh Bazell"
In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade — which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to 'How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?' is 'Go f*ck yourself,' because you can't directly relate any of those quantities. /quote /quote

let's take an Imperial Gallon = 10 Lbs. of water

Room temperature, as specified minimum under the "Offices, Shops & Railway Premises Act" of 60ºF to be raised to 212ºF = 152ºF change

Total Energy required is 10 x 152 B.Th.U. = 1,520 BThU


And how does that work for a US Gallon? and British Thermal Units? No thanks, let's have good old U.S.ofA Thermal units please!
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by chrisd   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:07 pm

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Keith_w wrote:
chrisd wrote: quote="Joat42"

Found this post on a blog today, and it ties neatly into the discussion we have had here. It's written by a guy called Alessandro Rossini and IMO it's spot on.

It starts with a quote:
quote="Wild Thing by Josh Bazell"
In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade — which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to 'How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?' is 'Go f*ck yourself,' because you can't directly relate any of those quantities. /quote /quote

let's take an Imperial Gallon = 10 Lbs. of water

Room temperature, as specified minimum under the "Offices, Shops & Railway Premises Act" of 60ºF to be raised to 212ºF = 152ºF change

Total Energy required is 10 x 152 B.Th.U. = 1,520 BThU


And how does that work for a US Gallon? and British Thermal Units? No thanks, let's have good old U.S.ofA Thermal units please!


Not being American, but isn't your mnemonic "A Pint's a pound, the world around" which would make a US Gallon to be 8 lbs.?
(Whereas our mnemonic is "A Pint of water weight a Pound and a quarter")
Investigation suggests that the American Heat Unit you mention is the same as the BThU; to my knowledge Air conditioning units are expressed in BThU to this day in US and Asia.
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