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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by anwi   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:06 am

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As I see it, it's rather unlikely that Ahlverez gets suicidal tendencies. He's actually developed a plan that had a small chance of success if he wasn't up against Merlin's intelligence. He should arrive at the Malyktyn - Cheryk road to find some Charisian troops already holding key points. It'll be interesting to see what he does then.
In any case, it'll be interesting to see how far Ahlverez comes. I think it won't be that far actually.
Moreover, I don't think that the Allies have any interest in letting him escape. (Ahlverez might get relevant again in the next books after his release as a POW.)
But perhaps his march will leave a lasting memory like:

Ten little Dohlarans were walking through South March,
one got lost in the Kyplyngyr, nine still on the march;
Nine little Dohlarans arrived at Tairys late,
One fell to Duke Eastshares men and then there were only eight,
Eight little Dohlarans ...
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by isaac_newton   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:26 am

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Peter2 wrote:I wonder if there's any chance of Aivah Pahrsahn's organisation getting Thirsk and his family out from under the baleful eyes of their Inquisition guards?

runsforcelery wrote:No. :P :twisted: :lol:


Shucks! Oh well . . . :cry:



Hehe - look at it positively. Not only have you had the first RFC forum comment for a while, but you have the distinction of getting the shortest reply on record!

Hopefully this means that books are being generated with great speed :-)
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by isaac_newton   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:33 am

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BTW does anyone have an idea as to how long [time] Alvarahaz & his men has been marching since leaving the scene of the battle in the Forest?
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by lyonheart   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:34 am

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"Howdy everybody",

First, Thank you RFC very much for another great snippet!

Second, If they now come every 3 '5days', we have another 13 snippets to look forward to, so thanks again in advance.

Third, RFC may have indeed been laughing at all our expectations that Ahlverez would attempt to cross the Seridahn somewhere east of Thesmar, for those like myself who thought that was the shortest safest route for his men.

Fourth, despite the several chapters of HFQ, Ahlverez is still "over 300 miles from Thesmar" (NTM almost 300 from Kharmych) or further than he was at the end of LaMA; so it may have only been 7-8 days since LaMA ended, so he's approximately near the northeast side of the 'o' in 'South March Lands' on the best map we have available.

Fifth, he evidently hasn't been fiercely pursued yet though his survivors are nearly all on foot, having less than two half-plus full cavalry regiments left [646 men and horses each at full strength] for only 700-800 cavalry out of a ~40,000 man force slowly starving to death, so blowing up his reserve artillery ammunition won't attract undue attention from any pursuers.

Sixth, we can expect that DE knows where he is because he's competent, NTM Merlin or 'Seijin Abram' has been keeping him, EHM and Hanth fully apprised of Ahlverez's limited progress and the current condition of his ragged army.

Seventh, we still haven't seen the last 50,000+ ICA troops that left Port Royal at the end of September [chapter 10], and rather than waiting off Silk Town, they've landed at Thesmar and part [1/2+?] are advancing to reinforce Hanth while the rest are getting ready to block or trap Ahlverez.

So Tyrwait may have run into ICA dragoons coming up from Thesmar, a bad sign since Hanth hadn't had any before now.

They may be the reason that Hanth hasn't apparently worried about Ahlverez may be because he knew exactly where he was, thanks to his very excellent spy reports, NTM that this ICA combat force was covering his flank and rear.

BTW, this would put alliance forces [mainly ICA] in the South Lands at around 200,000 men.

Thus Dohlar is toast.

Rychtyr can't avoid being flanked north and south by DE and EHM advancing west, let alone stopping Hanth, without losing his canal supply line.

So far as we know, Fort Sheldon hasn't been recovered by the alliance, so reaching it might be a worthy goal, if it weren't for both DE and EHM both advancing westward as rapidly as possible.

Cutting back to the northeast is going to give both of them time to get in front of him and compel him to surrender.

I can't help seeing a reprise of Robert E Lee here, fleeing until confronted by a force he cannot fight.

This is slightly irritating since I expected Ahlverez to play a role in rescuing Thirsk's daughters, as the least he could do.

I still think he will play some role there, besides being one of the regents for the new Dohlaran king, though how he'd escape the current situation is another point we'll have to wait for RFC to clarify.

The next snippet or two should include Merlin or BGV [or someone in the inner circle] reviewing Ahlverez's increasingly limited options.

Again best wishes to all.

L
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by jgnfld   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:37 am

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Keith_w wrote:Thank you very much for the snippet RFC. I am sure that we all hope that things are going well in the household.

I think the best thing for the ICA would be for Ahlvarez's men to become POWs. If the succeed in retuning to Dohlar, they will become the core of a new, experienced fighting force that will like nothing better than to avenge their treatment at the heretics hands. In short, rather than supporting the church, it will have become personal for them, as well as theological.


That's one possibility. Nations, however, have also been known to sequester or otherwise hide totally defeated forces away in some remote deployment rather than use their learning.

That said, I too foresee a mass surrender.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by lyonheart   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:47 am

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Hi Captain Igloo,

Thanks very much for the detailed data!

So Ahlverez now has enough artillery ammunition for roughly only 24-32 minutes of combat from 19 12 pounders; hardly enough against any serious opposition, given ICA mortars, 4" rifles and 6" angle guns etc.

He now wisely knows open battle against even Hanth is the last thing his withering command could afford to try.

So will EHM or DE try to bluff him with a smaller force, albeit with more and better artillery?

Will it be a homage to Phil Sheridan at Appomattox, here on the Seridahn river, where only the 'h' is transposed?

L


Captain Igloo wrote:FYI, during the ACW the specified number of rounds carried by each caisson and its limber was: for 6-pounder guns - 150 rounds; for 12-pounder guns - 96 rounds; for 12-pounder howitzers - 117 rounds; for 24-pounder howitzers - 69 rounds; and for 32-pounder howitzers - 45 rounds. The number of caissons assigned to field batteries were: with a battery of 12-pounders - eight caissons for guns and four for howitzers; with a battery of 6-pounders - four caissons for guns and two for howitzers.

Source: Civil War Artillery

During the Wilderness-Spotsylvania campaign basic ammunition load (half at guns, half in trains) was about 256 rds for a 12-pdr smooth-bore Napoleon. Grant had about 316 artillery pieces available in 1864.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by lyonheart   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:59 am

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Hi Isaac_Newton,

Ahlverez may have well had enough to supply his nearly 35,000 men for a normal 5day, in ~10 dragon wagons (fodder for just 3000 cavalry would require another 8), but the almost 13,000 Desnari Infantry lowered to daily ration to to ~2.2 pounds per day, which at the pace they're marching is starving them slowly.

It appears they've more dragons now than food filled wagons to pull.

I wonder if we'll see the ICA do a 'marching salute' or something similar at the surrender?

L


isaac_newton wrote:
tootall wrote:Well, I have to admit how wrong I was about the condition of his troops.
I recall that he took his supply train with him when he began his retreat and that he had several "intact" units left from the disaster. I assumed that he still had a "force in being". Guess not.
And given the state of his men, I don't know how they're going 300-500 miles more.
To quote another who sometimes posts here:

"BLEEK!"


Thanks RFC! :-)


Well, I expect that he may well only have had part of his full supply train given the emergency exit, and also that train would no longer be receiving the contat supplies it had beffore the battle in Kyplynger Forest, so it would run down fairly quickly I guess!
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by Randomiser   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:01 am

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Peter2 wrote:
I wonder if there's any chance of Aivah Pahrsahn's organisation getting Thirsk and his family out from under the baleful eyes of their Inquisition guards?

runsforcelery wrote:No. :P :twisted: :lol:

Peter2 wrote:Shucks! Oh well . . . :cry:


What? You expected RFC to give a clear and unambiguous answer to a question like that? :lol: :twisted: :lol:
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by Randomiser   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:19 am

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McGuiness wrote:

Peter2 wrote:I wonder if there's any chance of Aivah Pahrsahn's organisation getting Thirsk and his family out from under the baleful eyes of their Inquisition guards?

quote="runsforcelery"]
No. :P :twisted: :lol:


Those of us who have had the misfortune to have spent far too much time on these forums over the years, and thus have been the victims of RFC's . . . misdirections, know better than to believe him when he makes a clear, direct declaration about anything! So all he said here is that Aivah's organization won't be involved in spiriting Thirsk's family away from the tender guardianship of the Inquisition, not that it won't happen!



Actually, you are being unusually gullible. All RFC has said is that Aivah's organisation won't get both Thirsk and his family out. She still might manage one or the other! :twisted:
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #20
Post by lyonheart   » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:04 am

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Hi McGuiness,

May I respond below between **'s?

McGuiness wrote:First thing, thank you RFC for another long and very insightful snippet. I hope you and your family are on the road to recovery from the battery of life's ills that have besieged you, and I hope our analysis of and conjecture about your story is worthy of the universe you've created for us to play in.

**Ditto, ditto.**

This is about the condition I expected the surviving Dohlaran army to be in at this point, although they're much farther from Thesmar and moving even more slowly than I'd anticipated once they ran out of highroads. I honestly don't see how they can skirt Thesmar and head for parts north before DE comes howling down the Fort Tairys - Thesmar highroad. Toss in an educational visit from Seijin Zhevons and there's no way this ragtag excuse of an army is going home again.

Ahlverez looks likely to become the ranking Dohlaran POW, unless Hanth suffers a notable defeat at Evrytyn. Since Hanth will be facing breech loading rifles, rifled artillery, and a few other nasty things the CoGA forces have copied from the ICA weapons list, the butcher's bill to drive the CoGA forces from Evrytyn may be higher than he is willing to pay. It's the first time that church forces will be fighting Charis with equivalent or better weapons in the entire series! Of course Hanth can cut the canal behind the Dohlarans and force them to retreat - and the Delthak is shrieking its way upriver and Evrytyn is within cannon range :twisted:

**Since Ahlverez is senior to Rychtyr, he'd still be the most senior Dohlaran POW.

Keep in mind how little prospect of success Thirsk expects Rychtyr to have.

He still doesn't have mortars or their equivalent, and the number of both breech-loader rifles and artillery is rather limited, so while Rychtyr's may be the best equipped Go4 army yet, that's still not saying very much compared to what they face in the ICA.**

Hanth has done all this as a marine officer, not an army officer, and without the aid of a seijin or the advantages of being part of the inner circle. Either he's a naturally gifted strategist or he has good aides - which he does now , since several thousand ICA regulars have joined him.

**Yup, NTM his reinforcements may be larger than we've been led to believe.**

Obviously his "fight with superior weapons on a field of my choosing" style has worked well, as has his "pursue the enemy closely when he's in full retreat" policy. I'm rather fond of his "sail an ironclad up the river to send the Dohlaran's to meet the archangels" strategy as well! :twisted:

**I really don't expect Hanth's brain to turn into mush anytime soon and assault a heavily fortified position; given the density of troops with muzzle loaders [ie 80-90% of his infantry with firearms] Rychtyr requires to get the firepower downrange, he can't stray too far from his fortifications if Hanth flanks him to threaten his canal lifeline, so he's really stuck if not sunk if he stays put.

Given all the dragoons EHM still has, if DE is busy elsewhere with his ~21,000 mounted troops, simply advancing rapidly beyond Everytyn both north [EHM] and south[ DE] of Everytyn could compel Rychtyr to retreat without offering battle, even if he wasn't outnumbered tremendously.**

I feel a bit less worried about 40,000 (and dwindling) survivors of the Army of Shiloh staggering around behind Hanth's main forces after this snippet. I'd feel even better if Seijin Zhevons showed up, or if Hanth received some clandestine reports of enemy movements penned by OWL...


**RFC has warned us before that the inner circle will act intelligently off stage because he can't write everything they're doing, so take excellent updates to Hanth via those truly excellent EoC spies as a given.**

L
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