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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Joat42   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:55 am

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thinkstoomuch wrote:
Joat42 wrote:The point is that when you need to carefully think about how to convert something you're prone to introduce unintentional errors -- Errare humanum est.


Actually I am more into promoting thinking than science. Not against science but average person could care less.

Any American scientist functions in the metric system. I have known quite a few despite not even close to being one or even wanting to be one. Want to have fun where does nautical units enter into it. Or for that matter an engineer when one side of the bridge or a steam cylinder (obligatory Safehold content :-) ) is longer than the other. Coefficient of expansion turns all those nice tidy, exact measurements on their heads.

To me you are promoting mob mentality more than science. No need to make people think. If life was meant to be easy babies would not have such a hard time making it work.


When is the last time an average person worried about converting fluid ounces to weight or should that be mass. So weather or not an error gets introduced is immaterial. Scientists don't do that haven't for generations. Average person shrugs and goes on about his way.

As things are not needed they fall out of use naturally. Reason we no longer use rods or furlongs or such

Not trying to be argumentative or anything just pointing out a few things. And probably my last post on the subject.

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[Edit] If metric system was really necessary to promote science how did The US ever lead the world in anything. Or at least since 1950 or there abouts.

I'm all for people thinking for themselves, but the problem is that if you need to think hard about accomplishing menial tasks (like some odd unit conversion); something isn't right and it gets old real fast.

So are you for thinking hard on menial tasks or for simplifying life to the point where you can think about important stuff?

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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by clancy688   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:58 am

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HamsterDesTodes wrote:
Today in the age of the computer-everywhere, metric or imperial doesnt matter anymore.


Go tell that the Mars Climate Orbiter. And yes, I expect you to google this reference. :D



There's one thing I've been asking me for years:
The decision of removing the metric system by David Weber, did he do it simply as a plot device? Or did he also do it because, just as Langhorne, he holds a grudge against the metric system and likes imperial more? :D
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Joat42   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:59 am

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thinkstoomuch wrote:If metric system was really necessary to promote science how did The US ever lead the world in anything. Or at least since 1950 or there abouts.

Because of WWII, has nothing to do with metric or imperial systems.

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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Joat42   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:02 pm

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clancy688 wrote:
HamsterDesTodes wrote:
Today in the age of the computer-everywhere, metric or imperial doesnt matter anymore.


Go tell that the Mars Climate Orbiter. And yes, I expect you to google this reference. :D

Two teams, one working in imperial units - the other in metrics.
clancy688 wrote:There's one thing I've been asking me for years:
The decision of removing the metric system by David Weber, did he do it simply as a plot device? Or did he also do it because, just as Langhorne, he holds a grudge against the metric system and likes imperial more? :D

Because the metric system is far more logical than imperial which hampers progress.

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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by clancy688   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:04 pm

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Joat42 wrote:Because the metric system is far more logical than erial which hampers progress.


That I don't question. I just wanted to ask if maybe there was another underlying, personal reason on MWW's side. ;)
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by RunsInShadows   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:15 pm

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I have at least two reasons for switching to the metric system.

1.) easy math, based on the base 10 number system.
2.) units are(or soon will be) defined by concepts rather than by physical objects. See the link below for further explanation.

http://youtu.be/ZMByI4s-D-Y
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by RunsInShadows   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:19 pm

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I would think that Langhorn would have put the old English system in place because it is one more small hindrance to the advancement of technology.
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by phillies   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:25 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
thinkstoomuch wrote:If metric system was really necessary to promote science how did The US ever lead the world in anything. Or at least since 1950 or there abouts.

Because of WWII, has nothing to do with metric or imperial systems.


Our economy was leading the world from 1900.
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by SWM   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:59 pm

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thinkstoomuch wrote:When is the last time an average person worried about converting fluid ounces to weight or should that be mass. So weather or not an error gets introduced is immaterial. Scientists don't do that haven't for generations. Average person shrugs and goes on about his way.

I do conversions like that several times a week. So I guess I am neither an average person nor a scientist?
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Re: How to get the metric system reinvented
Post by Kyladar   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:50 pm

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In reply to Poker, the Arabic Numeral system will actually catch on quickly through commerce. Just the time saved trying to add say 12,150 (MMMMMMMMMMMMCL) and 8,879 (MMMMMMMMDCCCLXXIX) to get 21,029 (MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMXXIX) will make profits rise (more time selling and less work on the books). As businesses all over the world are trying to make a living, this idea would spread quickly without the need for any royal patronage.

In addition (pun intended), Merlin also introduced the abacus which also uses a base 10 system. Between these two 'inventions', we already have a good framework for a new system of standardized measurements. Whether the metric system is reinvented or a new Safeholdian system based around the 'Delthak Inch' is created, we are already on track for this new system.
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