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Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)

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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by 61Cygni   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:39 pm

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Armed Neo-Bob wrote:...One thing that is different about this part of the story-- in the beginning there was a passage of time--months or years--between story segments. Now, he seems to be trying to get in every detail of what is happening everywhere, and the books overlap a lot.

I just don't see a happy ending to all the loose threads in just the limited books he says are left to write in this story arc; two books? I think the SL will be broken up, but the Malign will fade into the background, to reappear for Honor's kids or grandkids.

Sort of what he intended to do, before Eric wrote "From the Highlands". :D

David can supplement his retirement income by trotting out a slow series of "updates," maybe one book every other year.

YMMV,

regards, Rob


Yup, the plot has slowed down to a crawl because David wanted to seemingly tell about everyone and everything going on between Manticore, Haven, Mesa and the Solarian League in month-by-month deatil, rather than just focusing on one character and jumping forwward in time like it was done in the earlier books with Honor and the Haven war.

I really hope that the next book DOES jump forward by a sizable amount; I'd like to the single-ship adventures of Captain Abigail Hearns in the wreckage of the post-SL universe. CoG has dealt with the aftermath on Mesa, so there's no need to pick up right afterwards, let's finally move the plot along to where we've known it's been going for quite a while now.

If Honor doesn't get a delayed Nelson-like grand death, then she can be pushed into the background and serve the role White Haven played in the early books.
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by Chev   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:10 pm

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I fallow things here a bit. I am not an old campaigner like Armed Neo-Bob. I do wish his family well!!! I know that my desires are selfish!

I understand the thinking is 2 more books to get to a resting point in the story, I too think that is very few with all that is happening. My hope is that his time writing (not when taking care of other things) is spent in the Honorverse. I like the Safehold books, but I love the Honor books! I understand that RFC thinks he wants some time to pass in the Honorverse before picking up another major story arc. I am fine with that! It is alright that Honor becomes a less central character in the stories. My hope is that during the time between the end of this story arc and the start of the next one is that RFC writes & releases shorts stories that in time (I don't want to wait) can be collected into an anthology(s). This could wrap up some stories, set the stage for new ones. How good would we all feel if every 3 months a 2-4 chapter long short story came out about something in the Honorverse?

Also just because time needs to pass in the Honorverse does not mean it has to in real time?


Do writers ever retire? I just thought they slowed down a bit.

I am waiting somewhat impatiently & rereading again the series. I seem to do this once a year!
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by jthoma8318   » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:06 pm

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dreamrider wrote:
Vince wrote:My apologies if this has been asked, and previously answered:

A RISING THUNDER was published in March, 2012 and quite a bit of the storyline was left hanging. Is there a continuation of that storyline?? From what I can tell of the Honorverse bibliography there has not been a v.14 written/published.. If there exists a book that continues from v.13, I'd appreciate a lead in that direction.

Thanks in advance,
Shy


Note that Shadow of Freedom & Caldron of Ghosts do not advance the timeline very much, but each advances the STORY ARC / SERIES PLOT in significant ways. They should be read in the named order, BTW.

In case you do not know:
It is incorrect (any longer) to view either the Talbott Quadrant oriented books or the Kingdom of Torch/espionage oriented books as separate sub-series. David does not view them or treat them as such. In retrospect, he started significantly weaving them into the main story arc as of about the second book in each of those sub-series. In the third and most recent book of each, they were parallel threads of the grand yarn (hence the near simultaneous, closely staggered timing of these books.) There probably will not be an identifiable fourth book of either sub-series. David envisions 2-3 more books to wrap up the Honor & company story arc (he says 2, some fans say 2 also...if they are 650 pages apiece. :twisted: )
To follow the Honorverse as it was envisioned, it is appropriate, and probably best from an overall astro-political understanding standpoint, to read the "Honor" books, the "Shadows" books, and the "Crown of Slaves" books as one big series of 19 books, in the order of publication.
The anthologies can mostly be fit in wherever you like. "Best practice" would probably be to read Worlds of Honor by the time you finish Short Victorious War, for the sake of the essay "The Universe of Honor Harrington". Then Changer of Worlds ideally should be read before you get around to Crown of Slaves, for the sake of the Eric Flint story "From the Highlands" which introduces Victor Cachat and re-introduces Anton and Helen Zilwiki.

enjoy,
dreamrider


As long as he doesn't end it like the vampire book, LOL
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by OrlandoNative   » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:31 pm

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jthoma8318 wrote:As long as he doesn't end it like the vampire book, LOL


Yeah, I thought it was left hanging too a lot more than should be for one of those sometimes maligned "YA" novels.

Of course, it's sort of interesting how "similar" some of the novels are even though set in allegedly different universes.

For example, the Safehold series is very similar (though greatly expanded) to the Dahak series, especially Heirs of Empire. Out of the Dark is similar to the end of The Excalibur Alternative with a few vampires thrown in.

Hopefully at some point there will be follow ons; I would like to see the "Final Conflict" between the Fifth Imperium and the xenophobe computer; and what happens to the "Federation" both with and without vampires... :lol:
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by OrlandoNative   » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:43 pm

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kzt wrote:
n7axw wrote:I could be mistaken on this, but I doubt that David's retirement income is going to need supplementing...

His wife has had major medical issues that as far as I know are not covered by insurance. Hopefully this is a one-time thing, not chronic, but I have no idea if it is or not. He also has three kids between 13 and 10. So while it would be great if he was that financially solid, I have my doubts it is true today. It's also why I don't resent (too much) the time he spends on other things than writing new Honorverse stuff. Movies that are successful pay really, really good.


Yes and no. Movies may pay *certain actors/actresses* good, but most of the money goes to the studio.

For example, I believe I heard that Philip K. Dick's estate only got offered $10k for the right to base "The Adjustment Bureau" on his short story "The Adjustment Team". And, then, the studio tried to get out of paying even that.

I suppose if you're a really, really successful writer, and the studio really, really, really wants to make a movie based on one or more of your novels, you *might* be able to negotiate some sort of percentage deal, but I suspect that percentage isn't going to be very high.

I would suspect that a successful TV series might be better, if it manages to survive a fairly long time. They probably would want, if at all possible, to keep the same group of screenwriters, and, obviously, the same group of actors/actresses, since they need the continuity. Plus there's syndication rights.
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by kzt   » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:43 pm

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I know a guy who made a good living writing movie scripts. His 5th sold was the first one filmed, it was called "Top Gun".

They didn't pay him millions per, but they did pay him in the 100K-250K range in the 80s IIRC.
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by OrlandoNative   » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:04 pm

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There's a bit of a difference between writing a script from scratch for a completely new movie and obtaining "rights" to make a movie from an existing book.

Usually a bit of difference in the *effort* required, as well; I suspect.
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by Adrian_V   » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:49 am

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I didn't know there where only 2 more books in this arc; well i will be happy as long as we see a chapter where Michelle meets Victor A.K.A Black Vitor
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by Carl   » Sun May 10, 2015 10:12 pm

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I really don't see how he Honorverse can be wrapped up in only 2 more books short of someone randomly cracking the onion wide open and them going ff and smashing the alignment offscreen. The breakup of the Solarian Leagues going to take a full book dedicated to it minimum. And that's if the wheels come off the wagon pretty much before the Beowulf plebiscide. If it doesn't even start till then there's no way it will take less than 2 to do that. And that's when the alignements real plan is supposed to kick off. Barring them going down off screen where going to need at least one and probably 2 books to get to the point of the alignment's real big plans starting.

Getting from there to the alignment getting spotted, targeted and taken out without a massive breaking of the secrecy just strikes me as flat out impossible in even 2 books. The alignments plan that we know of is seriously massive. Backing that with the need for that to come out and then the subsequent war to be fought. I honestly can't make the numbers add. And i'll admit i'll be beyond pissed and dissapointed if the alignment goes down in the epilogue on us. But i don;t see any other way to handle to time crunch.
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Re: Beyond "A RISING THUNDER" (v.13 in Honorverse series)
Post by stewart   » Sun May 10, 2015 10:30 pm

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Chev wrote:I fallow things here a bit. I am not an old campaigner like Armed Neo-Bob. I do wish his family well!!! I know that my desires are selfish!

I understand the thinking is 2 more books to get to a resting point in the story, I too think that is very few with all that is happening. My hope is that his time writing (not when taking care of other things) is spent in the Honorverse. I like the Safehold books, but I love the Honor books! I understand that RFC thinks he wants some time to pass in the Honorverse before picking up another major story arc. I am fine with that! It is alright that Honor becomes a less central character in the stories. My hope is that during the time between the end of this story arc and the start of the next one is that RFC writes & releases shorts stories that in time (I don't want to wait) can be collected into an anthology(s). This could wrap up some stories, set the stage for new ones. How good would we all feel if every 3 months a 2-4 chapter long short story came out about something in the Honorverse?

Also just because time needs to pass in the Honorverse does not mean it has to in real time?


Do writers ever retire? I just thought they slowed down a bit.

I am waiting somewhat impatiently & rereading again the series. I seem to do this once a year!



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It can sometimes take time.

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