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Could Clyntahn be a PICA?

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Re: Could Clyntahn be a PICA?
Post by Thrandir   » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:15 am

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They have 'home' remedies that mimic some of the effects of antibiotics and aseptic techniques but these are all coached in rituals that must be followed. Except for the Inner Circle no-one else has any idea about cell theory or microbes.
They follow the rituals as outlined in the Writ because the relevant archangels said so with no true explanations just that if not followed then bad things will happen.
There are numerous textref throughout all the books dealing with these health issues but no actual true reasons why.
Now that a number of the Royal College are in on the truth I feel there will be some advances coming in the way medical procedures etc.. are to be carried out.

evilauthor wrote:
Highjohn wrote:They have no penicillin or other antibiotics, among other things so any bad disease would kill allot of people.


You sure about this? Because I can easily see antibiotic recipes being in the Holy Writ. God knows, they included all sorts of other things as well to prevent plague and epidemic. So why not include recipes for "holy medicines" or whatever they'd be called in a learn-by-rote tradition?

Edit: Also, if the Holy Writ DIDN'T include antibiotic recipes, I'd think they'd be on the short list of inventions Merlin would have initially given to Charis.
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Re: Could Clyntahn be a PICA?
Post by JeffEngel   » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:18 am

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evilauthor wrote:
Highjohn wrote:They have no penicillin or other antibiotics, among other things so any bad disease would kill allot of people.


You sure about this? Because I can easily see antibiotic recipes being in the Holy Writ. God knows, they included all sorts of other things as well to prevent plague and epidemic. So why not include recipes for "holy medicines" or whatever they'd be called in a learn-by-rote tradition?

Edit: Also, if the Holy Writ DIDN'T include antibiotic recipes, I'd think they'd be on the short list of inventions Merlin would have initially given to Charis.

There's fleming moss, "genetically engineered by Pei Shan-wei's terraforming crews to possess natural [sic] antibiotic properties."

They built Safehold and the Writ to be as safe as they could for people whose ability to figure things out they were hobbling as best they could. Results, naturally, aren't all you could hope for, but don't knock it where it's worked well enough within that monstrous constraint.
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Re: Could Clyntahn be a PICA?
Post by McGuiness   » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:42 am

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Several books ago Merlin mused that if some intelligence were watching over Safehold, it would have intervened centuries ago when the church started going off the rails, and especially when gunpowder was invented. So it's clear that for the last few centuries there's been no active supervision beyond the mortals of the Inquisition and the strictures of the Writ and the CoGA to keep Safehold within the static technological matrix that Langhorne envisioned.

The millennial visit from the archangels will change that - either for better or worse, depending on whether you're a TL or a techie. (Let's put the Reformists in the middle and assume they could jump either way.)

If the AI or archangel in stasis or whatever method the returning "archangels" use denounces the progress of the past century (since gunpowder) as violations of the Writ and tries to slam the genie back in the bottle, there's going to be a rather noisy and violent result, with mushroom clouds as the Rakurai obliterates manufactories across Safehold, destroys Tellesberg, Siddar City, and quite possibly most of the locations that produce "high tech" devices across the planet. Keep in mind that the "rot" has spread, just as Merlin intended!

When the dust clears, Safehold will literally be worse off than on the Day of Creation tech-wise, with quite a lot of its infrastructure damaged as well. You can pretty much write off humanity as a space-going species for several more centuries, (if then) and only after he Rakurai is destroyed and people become brave enough to once again experiment with things that the myths say caused God and the archangels to wreak destruction across the planet. That's unlikely to happen if Merlin, Nimue, or some of the inner circle don't survive or if Nimue's cave is discovered.

Now if the return of the archangels was always intended to declare that mankind has waited long enough, the Gbaba haven't found them and so they likely won't until humans go hunting for them, and so the archangels proclaim the Big Reveal, things will suddenly be a lot easier for our heroes. Plus the archangels will send Clyntahn off his eternal punishment, (much to Merlin's chagrin) and the life span of the existing inquisitors will be measure in minutes! :twisted:

Now which of these possible outcomes would make it easier to convince Safehold of the Big Lie and prepare humanity to wipe out the Gbaba? Hmm... :lol:

Of course neither of these outcomes would be very satisfying, so I'm sure RFC has something much more clever up his sleeve. (Plus I'm almost always wrong...) ;)

"Oh bother", said Pooh as he glanced through the airlock window at the helmet he'd forgotten to wear.
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Re: Could Clyntahn be a PICA?
Post by Louis R   » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:16 pm

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As I understand it, Lidice loomed rather large in the final evaluation of those plans.

Highjohn wrote:

Note: Hitler Rationalization: The United Kingdom had some plans to kill Hitler but didn't carry them out because it could 'cause' 'reprisals', also Hitler may actually have been insane and certainly did a great deal of damage to the German war effort in the last years of the war.
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