JeffEngel
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n7axw wrote:Charles83 wrote:I just checked all the snippets, we know that Nimue was thinking of bringing Nynian into the confidence of the inner circle, but at the same time he distrusted her because nimue has cause, nynian is definitely a double dealing woman, but the most important part is that nimue saw that nynian had a pragmatic side, and nimue was trusting its instincts into thinking about telling her and convincing her pragmatic side.
Now I think that RFC made a mistake, but until now I havent said anything because I had my history with RFC and his female characters, but this time its just a plot related issue.
The inner circle and merlin were considering Nynian for the truth, they were not considering Sandaria, #2 Sandaria's reaction is wrong, if you belong to the sisterhood, and have enough trust from the current mother superior to bring you on this trip, then that means the sisterhood gave you enough trust to see the old journals and possibly the relic, that means that you should have a little skepticism towards the church, not God but the church, so that Sandaria is so reactionary, well I think the first person who would kill her would be Nynian because if she doesn't share some of the skepticism of the sisterhood, if she is going to be totally reactionary to the truth, that means that she cannot be trusted to stay on the upper echelons of the sisterhood because at any time she could go ahead and betray the sisterhood to the inquisition, in other words, the sisterhood has some suspicions about the place before creation thanks to Kody writting in spanish, so in the end, since Sandaria was not veted by the inner circle, its not the inner circle's fault that she is not a believer.
What I find to be a deep mistake is that if you are already in an organization who suspect that the church has something to hide, that you would be totally reactionary when you get the truth from another source (yeah you can be suspicious of this "new" organization who is giving you the info, some paranoia is perfectly justified but not a total reactionary action), specially if you are in the high ranking position of that organization.
In other words, if Sandaria belongs to the sisterhood, and she is so trusted by Nynian her reaction to the truth is not believable, as we see in the earlier snippets, if Nynian suspect that there was a time before the adams and eves, then those on the upper echelons of the sisterhood probably know or suspect the same, receiving info that confirms that shouldn't cause the faith crisis that she is having right now, if she was a person to have a faith crisis because of something related to the church she shouldn't have made it so high in the sisterhood, and she exhibits this kind of reaction, it would be Nynian responsability to remove her, not only from the inner circle but also from the sisterhood.
Of course Sandaria could have been just a very gifted "Lady" who had training to survive and that was quite low on the hierarchy of the sisterhood, that way her reaction would be believable, since yeah the sisterhood would have her but they would never let her join the upper ranks, but if this is truth then the solution of just putting sandaria to sleep on stasis or kill her is greatly simplified since its obvious she is not very high on the ranks and that she cannot be trusted and since the one that insisted on bringing her is Nynian and not the inner circle, it is Nynian fault for whatever need to happen right now.
In other words, since Nynian was the one that insisted on bringing Sandaria, Nynian will need to be the one that deal with whatever disbelief Sandaria is displaying, because Sandaria was not just a normal citizen, Sandaria was already part of an organization that was on a Cold war with the inquisition.
First of all, it is premature to judge Sandaria's response at this point. Let's wait and see how she manages to sort things out with what I presume will be the most loving support possible.
More than that - Sandaria is shocked and devastated to have what she believed in - both as matters of fundamental fact and who was wearing the black and white hats - attacked so thoroughly and effectively. She's certainly not reacting like, say, some Hanchong archbishop here. "Reactionary" isn't a term that ought to be on the table here for her. I'd peg this kind of response as about the best one might hope for on Safehold, and each one that's been better or more accepting as the peculiar ones. The SSK has had a variety of opinions about St. Kohdy's background and judgments, the War of the Fallen, and the account of Creation. Nynian's stances seem to be among the most "radical" of the common ones there, and she probably figured that she was staking out a position about as wild as could be. She gets shocked to find out that the truth is a lot wilder still. Sandaria probably didn't share all Nynian's "radical" ideas already, and she's struggling with the truth being even further out in left field than her community - itself a conspiracy embracing ideas out the far side of heresy - has ever considered. Cut her some slack. Secondly, part of the point of bringing the ladies to the cave was to avoid the need for "drastic" solutions. They can stay there as long as necessary with no time constraint at all.
Finally, Nynian a "double dealing woman"???? Sorry there, guy, but I haven't seen any evidence of her as being anything other than being a very compassionate human being who has been working hard to bring down the G-4. There is no textev to suggest that she she has been anything other than straight with Merlin or anyone else she has been working with.
Ah, you're going to have to ask that of every customer of Ahnzhelyk Phonda, just to start the examples. This one's a fair point, kinda. She IS a professional spy, conspirator, agent provacateur, and revolutionary. She lies, deceives, misleads, and betrays constantly and has done so for decades, very very well. But two points that have to be brought up. First, there's no evidence that she does so to everyone, or outside the needs of her conspiracy. And she's been under a lot of scrutiny the last couple of years by an agency with means she's had no background to foil. Second, it's hardly an accusation Merlin, the Inner Circle, or the Brotherhood of St. Zherneau can level with any moral indignation. They have had, you know, some secrets of their own. A few. And they've been prepared to go to some lengths to keep them - like burying their allies under the highest, most remote mountain on the planet if they get twitchy hearing them. If Nynian weren't such an effective conspirator, the whole situation of trusting her or not would not apply.
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