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Mechanics of Reveal
Post by Hildum   » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:29 pm

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While there has been a good discussion of the state of religion after the "great reveal," I am wondering about the process for the reveal itself, especially given the slow communications channels. How would you go about doing the reveal and when would you actually do it. Somehow I think "Great, we have won the war, the temple is ours. But the really war is just about to begin..." is not going to go over well.

So, would you reveal to the Charisian imperial parliament first, then Chisoholm and the rest of the Empire right after the war? Or perhaps first to the Charisian clergy? Or would you have a few years of consolidation of control, rebuilding, and publication of how the Church had edited and altered the testimonies before revealing the letters written by Knowles? How would you handle the propagation of the information across Safehold? I am not sure that printing broadsheets simultaneously across the entire planet would be a good idea.

I suppose the planned gap in the books indicates that the reveal will happen considerably after the end of the current war, and might actually be done by Hektor and Irys.
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal
Post by ChaChaCharms   » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:54 pm

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*sigh* If only RFC's enjoyable post on how the series will not end could hold any grain of truth within it....smh

If, on the other hand, the timeline could be accurate, the reveal and the tech build up following it would have to be done shortly after the win over the Go4 in order to have Cayleb's great grandson be as immovable and stubborn as all the other Ahrmahks with the Gbaba bearing down on them :twisted:
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:19 pm

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I think that with control of the Temple, there will be a lot of stuff coming out about how the CoGA was manipulated the truth for centuries from before the beginning of time, basically a gradual loosening of the facts that will lead to an improved future - perhaps with a gradual loosening of the strictures, starting with the millennium - "by man's having demonstrated that he is capable of correcting the Church when it falls into error, the following strictures are removed - and then allowing IC engines and electricity, and then 50 years later, adding space flight, or just removing all of the strictures altogether.
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal-Spoiler Alert
Post by PeterZ   » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:45 am

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My view has been that the reveal is best presented as a challenge to the Awakening Archangels. The Inner Circle almost have to assume that taking Zion will expedite the Awakening. Assuming anything else without information to back it up is foolish.

That means their reveal strategy is an argument against the archangels. The SSK have their own history to support this argument, so do the Bothers of St. Zherneau and Sisters of St. Evelyn. Perhaps the stored personality of Schueler has something to add as well.

Without that direct challenge to the core Safehold creation myth, a genocidal religious war is inevitable. One that will set Safehold back several generations before they can begin their preparations for the Gbaba.
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal
Post by Undercover Fat Kid   » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:48 pm

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IIRC RFC said somewhere that Caleb was going to accidentally let it slip.
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal
Post by EdThomas   » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:38 pm

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Undercover Fat Kid wrote:IIRC RFC said somewhere that Caleb was going to accidentally let it slip.

I hope when you uttered those tantalizing words you had cleared your calendar to do a thorough search of RFC's posts :lol:
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal
Post by Undercover Fat Kid   » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:06 pm

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That's what the IIRC as for. Now the onus is on all the other junkies out there the sift through and find it! :lol:

EdThomas wrote:
Undercover Fat Kid wrote:IIRC RFC said somewhere that Caleb was going to accidentally let it slip.

I hope when you uttered those tantalizing words you had cleared your calendar to do a thorough search of RFC's posts :lol:
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal
Post by Kakai   » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:23 pm

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Undercover Fat Kid wrote:That's what the IIRC as for. Now the onus is on all the other junkies out there the sift through and find it! :lol:


When issuing a challenge, you can be sure someone will achieve it :ugeek: . There you are, LAMA Snippet #25:

runsforcelery wrote:In addition to those two points, there is the third point that each new individual admitted to the inner circle — be he or she ever so devoted to the cause and ever so mentally flexible — increases the odds of someone’s accidentally betraying the inner circle’s existence. Every time someone is issued a communicator and starts standing in corners talking to himself (or to someone else who isn’t there) there’s the chance someone will walk into the middle of that self-conversation and realize hereally is talking to the someone else who isn’t there. The wrong word can be let slip in conversation. Someone else can overhear a conversation between two members of the inner circle who are both physically present at the time. Something written down in someone’s papers, working notes, etc., can slip. In other words, the bigger the inner circle grows, the more vulnerable it becomes to exposure.
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal
Post by looksbeforeheleaps   » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:42 am

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Thanks for finding that excerpt Kakai, and thanks for indicating what thread it came from!

I just reviewed the rest of that thread and contrary to UFK's recollection, RFC was clearly not hinting at how the inner circle and its secrets would be revealed.

He was just explaining why many prominent characters who seem like excellent candidates for the inner circle had not been added yet. Also, why some of them might be added in the future, but some (unspecified) might never be told the full truth.

That isn't to say that the inner circle won't be forced to rush their announcement of the truth in response to a recent or impending revelation of their conspiracy. I am just saying that unless RFC has posted other information about this subject, we have no reason to favor this scenario over any others.
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Re: Mechanics of Reveal
Post by Kakai   » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:44 am

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looksbeforeheleaps wrote:That isn't to say that the inner circle won't be forced to rush their announcement of the truth in response to a recent or impending revelation of their conspiracy. I am just saying that unless RFC has posted other information about this subject, we have no reason to favor this scenario over any others.


Still, that could make quite an interesting plot point. Let's imagine that somebody you absolutely can't lose at this point - baron Seamount, for example - overhears you saying something... "incriminating", let's call it. He's worried for you and starts talking about it and soon the story will start to spread. Trying to stop the story would only make it spread faster as people would realize that something's up.
Now, what do you do? Do you try to bring him into the inner circle, hoping he proves fit? Do you risk killing him - and people he spoke with about it, they'd talk as well - silencing them forever, but losing them? Do you hurry the Reveal? I'm pretty sure there'd be conflicting views on that among the inner circle.
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