HFQ Offical Snippet #18

chrisd wrote:

tootall wrote:Getting an 18 meter elevation advantage may be trickier, when Delthak is normally at the local water level. How much range would they have against targets, say, up to 10m over Delthak?


And what are the chances that there are some 30-50 meter hills between water level and our target? Pretty good I'd think.
Any forward observer will have to be able to see both the target and the battery involved.

And, of course, those "inland" are in for one hell-of-a-shock when they find out the hard way that they re not out of range of HMS Delthak's new guns.

In a way it's a shme that they do not have more elevation to enable them to shoot over any intervening hills, though. I suppose that there is a possibility, as used by RN "Pre-dreadnaughts" during WW1 of "heeling" the ship for increased elevation when used in a shore bombardment role.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

chrisd wrote:Getting an 18 meter elevation advantage may be trickier, when Delthak is normally at the local water level. How much range would they have against targets, say, up to 10m over Delthak?


And what are the chances that there are some 30-50 meter hills between water level and our target? Pretty good I'd think.
Any forward observer will have to be able to see both the target and the battery involved.

And, of course, those "inland" are in for one hell-of-a-shock when they find out the hard way that they re not out of range of HMS Delthak's new guns.

In a way it's a shme that they do not have more elevation to enable them to shoot over any intervening hills, though. I suppose that there is a possibility, as used by RN "Pre-dreadnaughts" during WW1 of "heeling" the ship for increased elevation when used in a shore bombardment role.

chrisd wrote:Getting an 18 meter elevation advantage may be trickier, when Delthak is normally at the local water level. How much range would they have against targets, say, up to 10m over Delthak?


And what are the chances that there are some 30-50 meter hills between water level and our target? Pretty good I'd think.
Any forward observer will have to be able to see both the target and the battery involved.

fallsfromtrees wrote:given the widths of the Delthak, I don't think this is going to be particularly helpful, and due to the low freeboard, probably dangerous as hell.

EdThomas wrote:Remember - Delthak can move north and south on the river to make targets originally screened by hills open to interdiction

EdThomas wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:
And, of course, those "inland" are in for one hell-of-a-shock when they find out the hard way that they re not out of range of HMS Delthak's new guns.

In a way it's a shme that they do not have more elevation to enable them to shoot over any intervening hills, though. I suppose that there is a possibility, as used by RN "Pre-dreadnaughts" during WW1 of "heeling" the ship for increased elevation when used in a shore bombardment role.

given the widths of the Delthak, I don't think this is going to be particularly helpful, and due to the low freeboard, probably dangerous as hell.

EdThomas wrote:Ruminations and Ramblings
At Trevyr, Rychter appears to have placed his defensive positions in a line on both sides of the river. Might this mean he doesn't realize how small EH's forces are? I'm assuming (that nasty word again! ) EH doesn't have sufficient troops to advance up both sides of the river.
Question - Is Rychter trying to defend both the Seridahn and the Canal? Answer - Both with the Canal having a higher priority because it leads directly into the heart of Dohlar.

He's pulled back 20 miles and set up what he believes to be a strong blocking position on the river. Is he deployed on both sides of the river? A conservative position would be for him to concede the eastern shore because the possibility still exists the ironclad could breakthrough and cut the east bank off. I think he's hedging his bets on the battery on the bluff being able to stop the ironclad. My SWAG is the power of the new guns and brown powdder will devastate the battery and the morale of his forces. (Maybe God really is on the side of the Heretics!

The eastern shore. - Rychter knows the forces that shattered the Desnairian and Dohlaran forces sent againt Fort Tairys are still there. We don't know how much he knows but it seems reasonable to assume he has some sort of cavalry screen to the east to give him warning if those forces are coming into his area.
We have no idea if DE has been in communication with EH. My SWAG is DE is headed west and would have made some effort to communicate with EH. Obvious place to send couriers is Thesmar but he does have mounted infantry which will allow him to probe to west and the Seridahn. Possible scenario here would be for Hanth to provide the anvil south and west across the canal for DE's hammer coming in from the east to crush Rychter.

Mortars - 1. If EH can get his additional support platoons or a portion thereof, mounted and working with his scout/snipers, he may be able to seriously disrupt, or possibly shut down Rychter's supply route.
2. The mortars are a strong defensive, and offensive weapon weapon that will serve as a force multiplier for EH.

Your thoughts?

n7axw wrote:

EdThomas wrote:Ruminations and Ramblings
At Trevyr, Rychter appears to have placed his defensive positions in a line on both sides of the river. Might this mean he doesn't realize how small EH's forces are? I'm assuming (that nasty word again! ) EH doesn't have sufficient troops to advance up both sides of the river.
Question - Is Rychter trying to defend both the Seridahn and the Canal? Answer - Both with the Canal having a higher priority because it leads directly into the heart of Dohlar.

He's pulled back 20 miles and set up what he believes to be a strong blocking position on the river. Is he deployed on both sides of the river? A conservative position would be for him to concede the eastern shore because the possibility still exists the ironclad could breakthrough and cut the east bank off. I think he's hedging his bets on the battery on the bluff being able to stop the ironclad. My SWAG is the power of the new guns and brown powdder will devastate the battery and the morale of his forces. (Maybe God really is on the side of the Heretics!

The eastern shore. - Rychter knows the forces that shattered the Desnairian and Dohlaran forces sent againt Fort Tairys are still there. We don't know how much he knows but it seems reasonable to assume he has some sort of cavalry screen to the east to give him warning if those forces are coming into his area.
We have no idea if DE has been in communication with EH. My SWAG is DE is headed west and would have made some effort to communicate with EH. Obvious place to send couriers is Thesmar but he does have mounted infantry which will allow him to probe to west and the Seridahn. Possible scenario here would be for Hanth to provide the anvil south and west across the canal for DE's hammer coming in from the east to crush Rychter.

Mortars - 1. If EH can get his additional support platoons or a portion thereof, mounted and working with his scout/snipers, he may be able to seriously disrupt, or possibly shut down Rychter's supply route.
2. The mortars are a strong defensive, and offensive weapon weapon that will serve as a force multiplier for EH.

Your thoughts?

I think that it depends on whether or not he defends Evyrtyn. As Thirsk pointed out, what he really should do is retreat back into Dohlar and towards remaining strength of the Dohlaran Army. Evyrtyn is a supply head no longer serving a useful purpose. It's true that Ahlverez is out there somewhere but Rychtyr has to assume that hostile forces are between him and Ahlverez which means that for all practical intents and purposes Ahlverez is no longer there to be supplied either.

The question is "does Rychtyr have the moral courage to take his inquisitor aside and explain all of that to him and then act accordingly?" The answer he gives to that question will determine whether or not he survives with his army intact.

Don

Randomiser wrote:Evrytyn is just about the only foothold the Dohlaran/Desnairian forces have left in Siddarmark. It is at the end of a good supply route and could make a reasonable bridgehead for another invading army once the Harchongese start to distract the ICA somewhat. Having a force there means that the ICA have to leave at least some troops to interdict them. I think the Temple will want that. And look at the other side. The canal is a very nice tempting route into Dohlar so the RDA have to interdict it at some point which may as well be Evrytyn, especially if there are few natural choke points further back. Or they have to destroy its usefulness to the ICA by blowing a lot of locks which would also prevent the RDA from using it as a supply route at a later time, which I doubt would please the Temple. I don't think the RDA has much choice but try to hold Evrytyn.

Randomiser wrote:Evrytyn is just about the only foothold the Dohlaran/Desnairian forces have left in Siddarmark. It is at the end of a good supply route and could make a reasonable bridgehead for another invading army once the Harchongese start to distract the ICA somewhat. Having a force there means that the ICA have to leave at least some troops to interdict them. I think the Temple will want that. And look at the other side. The canal is a very nice tempting route into Dohlar so the RDA have to interdict it at some point which may as well be Evrytyn, especially if there are few natural choke points further back. Or they have to destroy its usefulness to the ICA by blowing a lot of locks which would also prevent the RDA from using it as a supply route at a later time, which I doubt would please the Temple. I don't think the RDA has much choice but try to hold Evrytyn.