Rediscovery of Technology

fallsfromtrees wrote:The experiments so far have been in very limited lab environments, with very short time frames, not entire worlds with hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Saying that the VERY limited experiments done so far proves that life doesn't appear spontaneously is egregious.

Experiments have been in limited lab environments because that´s the only way to do it without contaminating the results badly.

And even then, there has still been a huge degree of those experiments ruined by accidental contamination.

And if you check, you will find that experiments can be speeded up to some degree, and in some cases, a LOT, simply because they can control the environment very specifically.

There are some 1 year (or even shorter) experiment that have generated results that would take thousands of years outside of the lab to happen.


And you need to look again, i never said it PROVED anything. But it certainly doesn´t look like a likely event.

I had a hypothesis that in our solar system existed a planet that was Earth like and it was located between Mars and Jupiter. The reason hypothesized that their had been a planet their was 2 reasons. One, NASA had come out and announced that the asteroids within the main asteroid belt were homogenous. Two, I had a referenced a myth from a bygone world wide civilization about a planet that had been destroyed in our solar system which had destroyed civilization on Earth and on Mars. Both planets had extinction level events that destroyed the current biospheres. Earth has recovered and Mars had not. Originally, I was going to use this idea for some type of book. One of fellow forum members was saying their was not enough mass left in the asteroid belt to be a planet. My response was the main asteroid belt is the remains of a planet. Most of the planet would have been pushed off into deep space! What I was going to do was have Mars destroyed as planetary biosphere into a dead planet. The moon would have absorbed most of incoming debris for the destruction of Mars and the other planet. This would have caused the planetary extinctions events of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. I am not saying I am right but scoreboard to the ones that utterly destroyed my ideas on the forums in the name of science. Yes, poster were trolling and offered no scientific information that justified the malicious attack!

http://news.yahoo.com/two-more-planets-solar-system-astronomers-134043845.html;_ylt=A0LEVjLnu8VU3KYAGhgnnIlQ

smr wrote:I had a hypothesis that in our solar system existed a planet that was Earth like and it was located between Mars and Jupiter. The reason hypothesized that their had been a planet their was 2 reasons. One, NASA had come out and announced that the asteroids within the main asteroid belt were homogenous. Two, I had a referenced a myth from a bygone world wide civilization about a planet that had been destroyed in our solar system which had destroyed civilization on Earth and on Mars. Both planets had extinction level events that destroyed the current biospheres. Earth has recovered and Mars had not. Originally, I was going to use this idea for some type of book. One of fellow forum members was saying their was not enough mass left in the asteroid belt to be a planet. My response was the main asteroid belt is the remains of a planet. Most of the planet would have been pushed off into deep space! What I was going to do was have Mars destroyed as planetary biosphere into a dead planet. The moon would have absorbed most of incoming debris for the destruction of Mars and the other planet. This would have caused the planetary extinctions events of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. I am not saying I am right but scoreboard to the ones that utterly destroyed my ideas on the forums in the name of science. Yes, poster were trolling and offered no scientific information that justified the malicious attack!

http://news.yahoo.com/two-more-planets-solar-system-astronomers-134043845.html;_ylt=A0LEVjLnu8VU3KYAGhgnnIlQ

And what, pray tell, does the possibility of there being planets beyond Pluto have to do with any of what you said?

Let's go through your statement bit by bit and see if we can spot things that don't quite work.

smr wrote:I had a hypothesis that in our solar system existed a planet that was Earth like and it was located between Mars and Jupiter.

An earthlike planet outside the life-sustaining zones? So we're strictly talking about something like Venus then; large enough to hold an atmosphere, but utterly inhospitable.

The reason hypothesized that their had been a planet their was 2 reasons. One, NASA had come out and announced that the asteroids within the main asteroid belt were homogenous. Two, I had a referenced a myth from a bygone world wide civilization about a planet that had been destroyed in our solar system which had destroyed civilization on Earth and on Mars.

A "myth from a bygone world wide civilization"? Which civilization was that? Later on you speak of this happening 65 million years ago, do you have evidence of there being intelligent, civilized life on Earth back then that everyone else has missed?

Yes, poster were trolling and offered no scientific information that justified the malicious attack!

Which poster was that? What was the "malicious attack"? Cut out the passive-aggressive bullshit, please. If you make grand statements about you building "a formal proof for the existance of god", or high-tech civilizations that haven't left any conclusive evidence for their existance, then you should be prepared to back them up.

Not when I proposed this as a possible book. He still irks me that I was crucified for that. I ridiculed for the impossibility. I do not have a problem being wrong but this was for a sci-fi book plot not scientific proof. It had happened a couple of years and I still kind of eats at me for being attacked. More and likely it was 3 to 5 years ago that I am referencing. I had referenced a article from NASA saying their was life on Mars at one point. They discovered cellular life in meteorites found in Antarctica that come from Mars in the way distant path. Forgive me master that I put in the wrong topic if I remembered the right forum it would be in it. We all have something that someone has trolled and we want to rant back at!

To sum my thoughts about, I believe life existed on Mars in its history. Week by week, we see interesting hints and pictures of destroyed civilization on Mars. I believe in my lifetime the NASA will say life (civilization) existed on Mars millions of years ago. We are getting so close to having private businesses in space. We will find out either their are UFO's and aliens or not, once private businesses start into space. Oh by the way, some of Snowden documents dealt with what the Americans know about ufo's and aliens. He personally gave the Russians and the Chinese this information. He was on some American show that he said all this. It's on you-tube and you can judge it for yourself! If you view the show yourself, you will have judge the veracity of his statements for yourself.

God exists! I had near death experience that has convinced me. The E, you have to make up you own mind. I use to question the existence of God and I do not question the creator's existence. It would be hypocritical of me to bash anyone that doubts God's existence because I use to make the same arguments that you make!

Is this a scientific journal or forum of science fiction/fantasy author? Well the standards are quite different. I just recall that you just scan what you read. How much faith should a person put into your postings when by your own statements and omissions that you scan the evidence. Heck, take the time to examine the evidence, block me, or at least be consistent. I recall that you knocked me for an article about a previous civilization that had sculptures of rocket engines and space capsules. The response that it was some obscure website except they sourced the articles information. Could that have happened because you skimmed the articles or not read them at all? For me, I believe you wanted links and I started putting them into my posts. As I recall, you were not ever going to read another post of mine. You said something about a waste of time or something similar to that.

The E wrote:

smr wrote:I had a hypothesis that in our solar system existed a planet that was Earth like and it was located between Mars and Jupiter. The reason hypothesized that their had been a planet their was 2 reasons. One, NASA had come out and announced that the asteroids within the main asteroid belt were homogenous. Two, I had a referenced a myth from a bygone world wide civilization about a planet that had been destroyed in our solar system which had destroyed civilization on Earth and on Mars. Both planets had extinction level events that destroyed the current biospheres. Earth has recovered and Mars had not. Originally, I was going to use this idea for some type of book. One of fellow forum members was saying their was not enough mass left in the asteroid belt to be a planet. My response was the main asteroid belt is the remains of a planet. Most of the planet would have been pushed off into deep space! What I was going to do was have Mars destroyed as planetary biosphere into a dead planet. The moon would have absorbed most of incoming debris for the destruction of Mars and the other planet. This would have caused the planetary extinctions events of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. I am not saying I am right but scoreboard to the ones that utterly destroyed my ideas on the forums in the name of science. Yes, poster were trolling and offered no scientific information that justified the malicious attack!

http://news.yahoo.com/two-more-planets-solar-system-astronomers-134043845.html;_ylt=A0LEVjLnu8VU3KYAGhgnnIlQ

And what, pray tell, does the possibility of there being planets beyond Pluto have to do with any of what you said?

Let's go through your statement bit by bit and see if we can spot things that don't quite work.

smr wrote:I had a hypothesis that in our solar system existed a planet that was Earth like and it was located between Mars and Jupiter.

An earthlike planet outside the life-sustaining zones? So we're strictly talking about something like Venus then; large enough to hold an atmosphere, but utterly inhospitable.

The reason hypothesized that their had been a planet their was 2 reasons. One, NASA had come out and announced that the asteroids within the main asteroid belt were homogenous. Two, I had a referenced a myth from a bygone world wide civilization about a planet that had been destroyed in our solar system which had destroyed civilization on Earth and on Mars.

A "myth from a bygone world wide civilization"? Which civilization was that? Later on you speak of this happening 65 million years ago, do you have evidence of there being intelligent, civilized life on Earth back then that everyone else has missed?

Yes, poster were trolling and offered no scientific information that justified the malicious attack!

Which poster was that? What was the "malicious attack"? Cut out the passive-aggressive bullshit, please. If you make grand statements about you building "a formal proof for the existance of god", or high-tech civilizations that haven't left any conclusive evidence for their existance, then you should be prepared to back them up.

This would have caused the planetary extinctions events of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

Generally speaking, the dinosaurus already were close to extinction even before the Cretaceous-Paleogene event. During the last 10 million years before event, the number of species was reduced to three-fourths of previous. The event was just the last straw.

They discovered cellular life in meteorites found in Antarctica that come from Mars in the way distant path

They discovered SOMETHING, that may be the fossilized footprints of cellular life.

smr wrote:I had a hypothesis that in our solar system existed a planet that was Earth like and it was located between Mars and Jupiter. The reason hypothesized that their had been a planet their was 2 reasons. One, NASA had come out and announced that the asteroids within the main asteroid belt were homogenous. Two, I had a referenced a myth from a bygone world wide civilization about a planet that had been destroyed in our solar system which had destroyed civilization on Earth and on Mars. Both planets had extinction level events that destroyed the current biospheres. Earth has recovered and Mars had not. Originally, I was going to use this idea for some type of book. One of fellow forum members was saying their was not enough mass left in the asteroid belt to be a planet. My response was the main asteroid belt is the remains of a planet. Most of the planet would have been pushed off into deep space! What I was going to do was have Mars destroyed as planetary biosphere into a dead planet. The moon would have absorbed most of incoming debris for the destruction of Mars and the other planet. This would have caused the planetary extinctions events of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. I am not saying I am right but scoreboard to the ones that utterly destroyed my ideas on the forums in the name of science. Yes, poster were trolling and offered no scientific information that justified the malicious attack!

http://news.yahoo.com/two-more-planets-solar-system-astronomers-134043845.html;_ylt=A0LEVjLnu8VU3KYAGhgnnIlQ

James P Hogan Giant series of books:
Inherit the Stars
The Gentle Giants of Ganymede
Giants Star
Entoverse
Misson to Minerva

used just this premise. The remainder of the original planet ended up as Pluto. Inherit the Stars was first published in 1981.

I read his stories as a young kid, so perhaps it made a strong impression on my when I was younger. I will have to see if Hogan is still alive. I would like to know if he got this from the old legends or did he just create it. Also, I have a strong belief that Giants existed on Earth. However, I saw an 8 foot skeleton during my travels through South America. It's not hard to believe in Giants when you consider Genetics and that their is group of humans who average 7 feet tall in Africa.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

smr wrote:I had a hypothesis that in our solar system existed a planet that was Earth like and it was located between Mars and Jupiter. The reason hypothesized that their had been a planet their was 2 reasons. One, NASA had come out and announced that the asteroids within the main asteroid belt were homogenous. Two, I had a referenced a myth from a bygone world wide civilization about a planet that had been destroyed in our solar system which had destroyed civilization on Earth and on Mars. Both planets had extinction level events that destroyed the current biospheres. Earth has recovered and Mars had not. Originally, I was going to use this idea for some type of book. One of fellow forum members was saying their was not enough mass left in the asteroid belt to be a planet. My response was the main asteroid belt is the remains of a planet. Most of the planet would have been pushed off into deep space! What I was going to do was have Mars destroyed as planetary biosphere into a dead planet. The moon would have absorbed most of incoming debris for the destruction of Mars and the other planet. This would have caused the planetary extinctions events of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. I am not saying I am right but scoreboard to the ones that utterly destroyed my ideas on the forums in the name of science. Yes, poster were trolling and offered no scientific information that justified the malicious attack!

http://news.yahoo.com/two-more-planets-solar-system-astronomers-134043845.html;_ylt=A0LEVjLnu8VU3KYAGhgnnIlQ

James P Hogan Giant series of books:
Inherit the Stars
The Gentle Giants of Ganymede
Giants Star
Entoverse
Misson to Minerva

used just this premise. The remainder of the original planet ended up as Pluto. Inherit the Stars was first published in 1981.

smr wrote:I read his stories as a young kid, so perhaps it made a strong impression on my when I was younger. I will have to see if Hogan is still alive. I would like to know if he got this from the old legends or did he just create it. Also, I have a strong belief that Giants existed on Earth. However, I saw an 8 foot skeleton during my travels through South America. It's not hard to believe in Giants when you consider Genetics and that their is group of humans who average 7 feet tall in Africa.

I believe so. He has a new book coming out in April from Baen.
Edit. He has apparently passed away. The book coming out in April is a reprint of two of his earlier books, and is copyright by the estate of James P. Hogan.

@Daryl - Remember when I brought out the issue of world wide government scientists manipulating data to show us warming. I linked to articles showing how the scientists were manipulating data to show we were getting when in fact we are getting colder. Here's a link to article showing how they are manipulating the data.

http://www.newsmax.com/SciTech/global-warming-temperature-date-faked/2015/02/08/id/623494/

Just remember, Al Gore owns a huge stake in exchange that allows companies to buy and sell carbon credits. These are the same people that want a worldwide government that charges everyone for carbon credits to pay for the government. Always follow the money!

Ancient stone carvings in India, these stone carvings look just like rocket engines. I am not scientist but I think most people can connect the dots and say we had higher technological level than the official history books record.

A person needs to only view about the first 30 to 40 seconds to understand what they are showing you (they loop it).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsgOzwbxEC8