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Re: A single SD-based Space Station
Post by n7axw   » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:36 pm

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Uroboros wrote:
Jeroswen wrote:I can understand your point but even if I guess wrong 20% of the time 4 systems out of 5 will be protected from another Warnecke. Those odds I like. Its easy to sit on your hands and do nothing. It takes risks to get things done.

The argument you make falls flat when you call the ships junk on one hand and not worth anything, and then worry about what harm they could do in the wrong hands. You can't have it both ways.


The ships are junk. While the idea of handing off an old-fashioned SD that you are handing off an old-fashioned SD. The SDs are completely worthless except as scrap. While the lighter units might be able to be repurposed, it's a bit doubtful weather or not they will since the Manticore is sort of lacking any yard space. Haven would have that space, but it is the only industrial power in the GA right now and it's going to have better things to do with its time and energy than convert a bunch of old-style light units.

For one, while you could probably scare up a crew in nearly every system that you could potentially put them in, you have to find people to train a crew to actually use the equipment, and use it effectively. That requires a large pool of people who are trained in now-obsolete technology and willing to train the people going to use it.

You not only have to turn them into competent spacers, but you have to train them individually for each job the ship needs doing. If we are to use the Manticoran standard, an officer takes at least four years of training, while an enlisted officer takes around two. If you were going to use conscripts, your officers would actually take longer to train, due to the fact that they now have to do everything that enlisted personnel would have been trained to be doing. Even with accelerated program, the time to train people is going to be lengthy.

Nor is any of this really necessary in Talbott or Silesia. A spread of missile pods and some new-style LACs are really all that's needed to defend systems against local pirates and any raid the Sollys could put together. Nor would it really be a priority in Silesia, as Sarnow has a well-equipped fleet and no enemy at the doorstep to fight.


I pretty much agree with you on the SDs. I will comment though, that training spacers for naval service is probably going to be a sellers market as more and more systems find themselves without SLN protection and needing navies of their own. Manticore could set up an academy separate from its own service academy and advertise. I bet they'd get all sorts of takers.

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Re: A single SD-based Space Station
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:13 am

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tinfoil wrote:"Gift" them to a polity that you are not particularly happy with or want to weigh down.

Go look up the wiki entry for "White Elephant".
Solarian SDs fit the classic definition to a 'tee'.

Give a tinpot leader a squadron of SDs to own would (in the short term) make him very happy with you, but would immediately soak up all of his or her resources trying to keep in them in service.

Every reason for the GA to not want them is equally valid for all of the 'other guys' too. But the other guys might not know this!

This may actually be the best suggestion I have heard of for dealing with the old Sollie SDs. Of course, you could be laying up some problems for the future.
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Re: A single SD-based Space Station
Post by Vince   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:39 pm

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
tinfoil wrote:"Gift" them to a polity that you are not particularly happy with or want to weigh down.

Go look up the wiki entry for "White Elephant".
Solarian SDs fit the classic definition to a 'tee'.

Give a tinpot leader a squadron of SDs to own would (in the short term) make him very happy with you, but would immediately soak up all of his or her resources trying to keep in them in service.

Every reason for the GA to not want them is equally valid for all of the 'other guys' too. But the other guys might not know this!

This may actually be the best suggestion I have heard of for dealing with the old Sollie SDs. Of course, you could be laying up some problems for the future.

Definitely one of the best ideas yet! But not as White Elephants. In keeping with the naval theme of (most of) the Honorverse books, I suggest the term: 'An albatross around the neck'.*

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Re: A single SD-based Space Station
Post by wastedfly   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:49 pm

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Vince wrote:Definitely one of the best ideas yet! But not as White Elephants. In keeping with the naval theme of (most of) the Honorverse books, I suggest the term: 'An albatross around the neck'.*

* From the The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.


Sniff Sniff, what is that stench?

There are 1500 SL worlds that have GDP equal to Manticore, with NO DEFENSE at all outside of a couple of LAC's. None. Protectorates is another ~?2000+? worlds with around a billion population. We are talking 0.001% to even a protectorate. 10,000/1 Billion

A couple SD's would be equivalent to a gnat buzzing near their body to the SL core/shell worlds and upwards of a fly for the protectorates. Unless of course you believe everyone is illiterate and dropped out of school... If Masada can easily crew a BC in a couple of weeks, an SD would not have been any harder.
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Re: A single SD-based Space Station
Post by Duckk   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:59 pm

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Sniff Sniff, what is that stench?


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