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Post by Hutch   » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:59 pm

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I normally avoid politics on all message boards I frequent, since they tend to be rather Shakespearian ("Full of Sound and Fury, signifying nothing."). But this 'diplomatic recognition' of Cuba (or whatever the pundits are calling it) intrigues me.

Mostly because the reaction has been..well, rather muted. Yes, there has been protests by Cuban-American expats and the usual suspects are blaming President Obama for either doing to much/too little/too fast/too slow, but it is hardly the fuss and bother you'd think it would be, reversing a 50+ year policy.

And I think I know why. Both Liberals and Conservatives can see advantage to it.

For Liberals, it ends what most see as a ridiculously old and illogical policy (it might have made sense in the 1950's and 1960's; it is hard to say what benefits it has now) and an attempt to 'engage' Cuba and help in determining how that country develops once the Castro Brothers, Inc. are gone for good.

For Conservatives, it gets rid of a policy they no longer want to defend and it is being done by a Democrat, whom they can hang any lack of success on with the Florida Cuban-American community (the policy has been for the Electoral votes of Florida for the last 30 years, IMHO). It also allows for the possibility of capitalism (albeit Chinese or Russian style) coming to Cuba and new business opportunities for American business with millions of new potential customers.

At minimum, Major League baseball will support it.

So I'd like your opinions. Mine is, as you might have guessed, in favor of it. If we can have relations with nations like Russia, Saudi Arabia, et.c (pick your favorite bogeyman), not having relations with Cuba is nonsensical.
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Re: Cuba
Post by Annachie   » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:50 pm

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Personally, after 50 odd years, yeah it needs to be replaced by something better. Maybe allowing rampant capitalism will help.
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Re: Cuba
Post by Spacekiwi   » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:28 am

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Well, lets hope this works better than all the assassination attempts.....

reading wikipedia on some of those made me think i lived in a cartoon for a bit.... :D
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Re: Cuba
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:53 pm

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Well, at least! This blockade were completely nonsence at least for a decade!

P.S. Heh, good ol' Fidel got what he want! :D
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Post by pokermind   » Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:52 am

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Hey dudes maybe we can get some good Cuban Cigars again!

It was idiotic in the first place it's time has come Much as I loathe OBAMA's policies in general I think he's right here. The Castros will be gone soon it is good idea to be on speaking terms with our neighbor. Feuds with our next door neighbors are old fashioned and foolish.

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Post by bigrunt   » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:14 pm

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Let's show them that capitalism works. It was the failure of Communism in east Germany that helped to tear down the wall.
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Re: Cuba
Post by biochem   » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:38 pm

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The current Cuban policy isn't doing much good. So I tend in general to support a policy change of this sort, however I don't trust Obama to implement it. To date his foreign policy has been abysmal. So with his past performance (or lack thereof) in mind I'd like congress to keep a lid on it as best they can until the next president.
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Post by biochem   » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:40 pm

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I normally avoid politics on all message boards I frequent, since they tend to be rather Shakespearian ("Full of Sound and Fury, signifying nothing.").


This board is far far better than most. In general, I have found the political discussions to be thoughtful and policy driven rather than rhetoric driven (although the Guns thread has a tendency to get that way once in a while).
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Re: Cuba
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:47 pm

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::a Pointy-Headed Liberal opines::

It is about time for this, even past time.
Could have been done when the USSR fell, or any time after.

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Annachie wrote:Personally, after 50 odd years, yeah it needs to be replaced by something better. Maybe allowing rampant capitalism will help.
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Re: Cuba
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:53 pm

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:::a Pointy-Headed Liberal opines::

It is about time for this, even past time.
Could have been done when the USSR fell, or any time after.

PHL



I honestly thought it was time to do this in the 80's. Just wish it was being managed for other than the headline. And more for the other benefits to both parties.

Though still trying to figure where the prisoner swap aspect came into any of it. Not that I have really spent any time to figure it out.

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