Emigrating to Torch or elsewhere in the alliances.

SharkHunter wrote:

Ferran wrote:Oh, also... If you parole them... can they serve in the Beowulf SDF? Of course, not for action against the SEM.

Just sayin'... Take care

I'm guessing that Beowulf would probably say "thanks but no thanks", as they're already fully staffed with superior-trained crew and officers and superior weaponry to the SLN. Besides, the Mandarins are in the process of turning Beowulf into the most traitorous bunch of bums since who knows when, so any SLN spacers joining would presumably be considered traitors as well.

Actually, as of the end of ART, the Mandarins are trying to turn Beowulf into a proper set of OFS helots - Don't think they will succeed, but RFC hasn't said yet.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Actually, as of the end of ART, the Mandarins are trying to turn Beowulf into a proper set of OFS helots - Don't think they will succeed, but RFC hasn't said yet.

This will either fail miserably, or result in something very, very bad happening to Beowulf.

kzt wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:Actually, as of the end of ART, the Mandarins are trying to turn Beowulf into a proper set of OFS helots - Don't think they will succeed, but RFC hasn't said yet.

This will either fail miserably, or result in something very, very bad happening to Beowulf.

Agreed. There have been a number of other topics wherein this was discussed, and the general consensus was that since HH didn't mention anything to Zilwicki at the end of Cauldron of Slaves about an attack on Beowulf, either nothing had happened, or it was a total anti climax not worth mentioning. Not sure I agree with the general consensus, but only time and RFC will tell.

One problem of the talk about paroling the captured SLN personnel is that the SL and SLN might not acknowledge them as such and put the returned spacers back into service. The GA and its allies might recognize the paroled state, but the SLN? I'm thinking there is a good chance they wouldn't recognize that status. If the spacers are returned to SLN space, they would very likely be debriefed and reassigned to another ship or for more training.

Oh, I'm pretty sure the League wouldn't recognize a thing (paroles, defections, you name it). Which is why I propose Beowulf.

Take care

Zakharra wrote:One problem of the talk about paroling the captured SLN personnel is that the SL and SLN might not acknowledge them as such and put the returned spacers back into service. The GA and its allies might recognize the paroled state, but the SLN? I'm thinking there is a good chance they wouldn't recognize that status. If the spacers are returned to SLN space, they would very likely be debriefed and reassigned to another ship or for more training.

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I suspect the "re-training" would parallel the "re-education" groups that several nations setup after their un-civil wars and misc other conflicts. Wouldn't want any "dangerous, foreign ideas" to spread.

I suspect that the Meyers System Self-Defense Force will have a substantial number of volunteers.....

-- Stewart

New thought, but not about the SLN spacers briefly. We know of a star system where all the orbital infrastructure got blown into dust bunnies, in need of alot of investment BUT whose space building work force didn't get blasted into kingdom come. But they're not going to be building starships for a while but could sure use a lot more merchant traffic while they rebuild that infrastructure. We also know of a star system whose infrastructure got blown to dustbunnies along with their work force, but not the tech designs and howto knowledgewho needs to build starships and quickly, and whose OJT could use a boost with MOSTLY trained workers.

So Prithchart makes a deal with the Lovat system leaders for a "five year plan" working with the RMN and Hauptman to build and service military and civilian hulls and station infrastructure modules in both Manticore and Lovat in return for bringing the Lovat work force & tech up to Manticoran standards.

Emigration is optional and not treasonous because Haven and Manticore are allied powers now....

Yes/no, thoughts?

SharkHunter wrote:New thought, but not about the SLN spacers briefly. We know of a star system where all the orbital infrastructure got blown into dust bunnies, in need of alot of investment BUT whose space building work force didn't get blasted into kingdom come. But they're not going to be building starships for a while but could sure use a lot more merchant traffic while they rebuild that infrastructure. We also know of a star system whose infrastructure got blown to dustbunnies along with their work force, but not the tech designs and howto knowledgewho needs to build starships and quickly, and whose OJT could use a boost with MOSTLY trained workers.

So Prithchart makes a deal with the Lovat system leaders for a "five year plan" working with the RMN and Hauptman to build and service military and civilian hulls and station infrastructure modules in both Manticore and Lovat in return for bringing the Lovat work force & tech up to Manticoran standards.

Emigration is optional and not treasonous because Haven and Manticore are allied powers now....

Yes/no, thoughts?

I'd find it dramatically very satisfying. At the risk of making Rose cry, we could call it the Giscard Yard Complex.

On the other hand, it may mean spreading out Havenite yard capacity to at least a third major node (after Haven itself and Bolthole), and put recent Manticoran tech in a known location without the security of Bolthole or Haven. (Although Haven isn't that secure from espionage, and starting up somewhere the Alignment has had zero prior reason to try to penetrate, with a workforce they'd had trivial prior reason to penetrate, does have its appeal.)

JeffEngel wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:New thought, but not about the SLN spacers briefly. We know of a star system where all the orbital infrastructure got blown into dust bunnies, in need of alot of investment BUT whose space building work force didn't get blasted into kingdom come. But they're not going to be building starships for a while but could sure use a lot more merchant traffic while they rebuild that infrastructure. We also know of a star system whose infrastructure got blown to dustbunnies along with their work force, but not the tech designs and howto knowledgewho needs to build starships and quickly, and whose OJT could use a boost with MOSTLY trained workers.

So Prithchart makes a deal with the Lovat system leaders for a "five year plan" working with the RMN and Hauptman to build and service military and civilian hulls and station infrastructure modules in both Manticore and Lovat in return for bringing the Lovat work force & tech up to Manticoran standards.

Emigration is optional and not treasonous because Haven and Manticore are allied powers now....

Yes/no, thoughts?

I'd find it dramatically very satisfying. At the risk of making Rose cry, we could call it the Giscard Yard Complex.

On the other hand, it may mean spreading out Havenite yard capacity to at least a third major node (after Haven itself and Bolthole), and put recent Manticoran tech in a known location without the security of Bolthole or Haven. (Although Haven isn't that secure from espionage, and starting up somewhere the Alignment has had zero prior reason to try to penetrate, with a workforce they'd had trivial prior reason to penetrate, does have its appeal.)

I would not be surprised to find that Lovat had been one of the centers for building ships prior to the Harrington raid, just as I would not be surprised to find that Jouett is another. Did we ever have any textev that Haven and Bolthole were the only two places that the RH was building warships. My impression was that there were a number of yards that started building warships after the great reveal of what had been build at Bolthole.

fallsfromtrees wrote:I would not be surprised to find that Lovat had been one of the centers for building ships prior to the Harrington raid, just as I would not be surprised to find that Jouett is another. Did we ever have any textev that Haven and Bolthole were the only two places that the RH was building warships. My impression was that there were a number of yards that started building warships after the great reveal of what had been build at Bolthole.

Somewhere David said how many sites built ships in peepland. It was more then one or two, it was something like 4-5 for SDs and a bunch more that built light warship.