HFQ up on Amazon

Hi Kbus888,

Let me be the third, or the second to second supporting your continued survival on this mortal plane.

Many more would miss you too.

All my best wishes for you in this new year.

L


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Yup

There are two sides to every coin

R
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I am looking forward to ordering the ebook the day it becomes available

No pre-order, though as I calculate my survival (I have some health issues) this year at about 20% and pre-ordering would serve no useful purpose.

I'll admit, though that reading both Safehold and War God snippets are keeping me entertained between Chemo sessions

I get nearly as much fun reading the Safehold forum as I do reading the completed story !!

R
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I missed this on the first time through and feel the need to reply.

I hope that you get to the end of the Safehold saga on this side but on the flip side if you don't, you get to read the new Heinleins before we do!*quote**quote*

Keith_w wrote:I have no idea how much that stuff costs, and as I said I am well aware that there are still significant costs involved. So unless you are able to assert that the printing and delivery involved in that format are less than 10 percent of the cost, I will continue to beleive that eBooks should cost considerably less.

You said initially "I don't know why they cant offer the E-book at a much lower price than the dead tree version". Since the e-books are already being offered at 25% less than the print book, I assumed you meant that they should be even cheaper than that. If you only want e-books to be 10% cheaper than the print, then you already have your wish.

kbus888 wrote:=2015/01/07=
I am looking forward to ordering the ebook the day it becomes available

No pre-order, though as I calculate my survival (I have some health issues) this year at about 20% and pre-ordering would serve no useful purpose.

I'll admit, though that reading both Safehold and War God snippets are keeping me entertained between Chemo sessions

I get nearly as much fun reading the Safehold forum as I do reading the completed story !!

R
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I didn't notice this when you first posted it, I JUST noticed it because several others had commented on it. As they did, allow me to offer my best wishes for your continued health. I hope you not only make the release date for HFQ, I hope you get to read the entire series.

SWM wrote:

Keith_w wrote:I have no idea how much that stuff costs, and as I said I am well aware that there are still significant costs involved. So unless you are able to assert that the printing and delivery involved in that format are less than 10 percent of the cost, I will continue to beleive that eBooks should cost considerably less.

You said initially "I don't know why they cant offer the E-book at a much lower price than the dead tree version". Since the e-books are already being offered at 25% less than the print book, I assumed you meant that they should be even cheaper than that. If you only want e-books to be 10% cheaper than the print, then you already have your wish.

If indeed they are being offered at 25% off print price, then that's fine, my issue is, I am seeing them at the same price or higher. For example, at Chapters (being Canadian, I prefer to shop at Canadian based stores whenever possible), I can buy How Firm a Foundation at the online store for C$6.64 for the Hardcover, C$9.92 for the paperback and C$9.99 for the Kobo Ereader version. At Amazon.ca, the hardback is $12.80. the Kindle edition, C$9.99, and the paperback C$9.92

In both cases, a dead tree version is cheaper than an electronic version.

Keith_w wrote:

SWM wrote:You said initially "I don't know why they cant offer the E-book at a much lower price than the dead tree version". Since the e-books are already being offered at 25% less than the print book, I assumed you meant that they should be even cheaper than that. If you only want e-books to be 10% cheaper than the print, then you already have your wish.

If indeed they are being offered at 25% off print price, then that's fine, my issue is, I am seeing them at the same price or higher. For example, at Chapters (being Canadian, I prefer to shop at Canadian based stores whenever possible), I can buy How Firm a Foundation at the online store for C$6.64 for the Hardcover, C$9.92 for the paperback and C$9.99 for the Kobo Ereader version. At Amazon.ca, the hardback is $12.80. the Kindle edition, C$9.99, and the paperback C$9.92

In both cases, a dead tree version is cheaper than an electronic version.

In most cases, the paperback also comes out a year later than the other formats. Meanwhile, the price of the hardcover, which it was originally printed in, probably dropped quite a bit in that time.

IIRC, I gave $27 for my hardcover of LAMA the day it was put on sale at B&N. I gave $14.99 for my nook version. That has seemed to be a pretty normal price structure for new release. I will continue to buy both for Safehold since I want to own a complete hardcover set for the series.

Don

I will chime in with everyone else in hoping that your estimate of the odds is way off!

kbus888 wrote:=2015/01/07=
I am looking forward to ordering the ebook the day it becomes available

No pre-order, though as I calculate my survival (I have some health issues) this year at about 20% and pre-ordering would serve no useful purpose.

I'll admit, though that reading both Safehold and War God snippets are keeping me entertained between Chemo sessions

I get nearly as much fun reading the Safehold forum as I do reading the completed story !!

R
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Reader_of_Fiction wrote:I just did a search on Amazon, and HFQ is showing up with a pub date of September 8, 2015. No cover art yet, but you Safehold junkies will be getting a fix two month earlier than first thought, if Amazon is telling the truth!

I suspect it tends to be a matter of 'what does Amazon have on sale this week.'

One of the things I've learned in self-publishing is that Amazon seems to give the publisher 100% control of the e-book price, but they seem to have control to do whatever they want with the print copies.

The list price on the paperback is $10.99, vs a Kindle list price of $9.99.

Amazon's contracts with Tor likely allow them to discount the former (as they hold physical inventory they paid Tor a fixed price for) and not the latter (which is more of a commission agreement, so Tor controls the Kindle price). So oddities happen.

Keith_w wrote:
If indeed they are being offered at 25% off print price, then that's fine, my issue is, I am seeing them at the same price or higher. For example, at Chapters (being Canadian, I prefer to shop at Canadian based stores whenever possible), I can buy How Firm a Foundation at the online store for C$6.64 for the Hardcover, C$9.92 for the paperback and C$9.99 for the Kobo Ereader version. At Amazon.ca, the hardback is $12.80. the Kindle edition, C$9.99, and the paperback C$9.92

In both cases, a dead tree version is cheaper than an electronic version.

Be thankfull,

In Australia, the signed hardback will set me back about AUD 55

The e-book version from the iTunes store about AUD 16.

And its not the currency differential

GlynnStewart wrote:I suspect it tends to be a matter of 'what does Amazon have on sale this week.'

One of the things I've learned in self-publishing is that Amazon seems to give the publisher 100% control of the e-book price, but they seem to have control to do whatever they want with the print copies.

The list price on the paperback is $10.99, vs a Kindle list price of $9.99.

Amazon's contracts with Tor likely allow them to discount the former (as they hold physical inventory they paid Tor a fixed price for) and not the latter (which is more of a commission agreement, so Tor controls the Kindle price). So oddities happen.

Keith_w wrote:
If indeed they are being offered at 25% off print price, then that's fine, my issue is, I am seeing them at the same price or higher. For example, at Chapters (being Canadian, I prefer to shop at Canadian based stores whenever possible), I can buy How Firm a Foundation at the online store for C$6.64 for the Hardcover, C$9.92 for the paperback and C$9.99 for the Kobo Ereader version. At Amazon.ca, the hardback is $12.80. the Kindle edition, C$9.99, and the paperback C$9.92

In both cases, a dead tree version is cheaper than an electronic version.

Actually, no. That was what that ridiculous law suit against Simon and Schuster (which, unfortunately, Amazon won) was all about. The publishers wanted control of the e-book prices and Amazon argued that would cost the public more than Amazon's pricing policies would. If you looked carefully at what they were really fighting about, however, it was Amazon's policy of steeply discounting the electronic prices for books by especially popular authors as an inducement to customers; they were not discounting prices on low-number-of-sales books like e-text books or other "must have" volumes.

With dead-tree books, the publisher didn't care what the sale price was, because Amazon still had to buy them wholesale from the publisher before they sold them. If they wanted to sell the newest Stephen King hardcover for a buck apiece as a loss-leader to encourage additional sales of other books, that was fine; the publisher and the author had already earned their programmed profit and royalties, respectively, from the book, whatever the price at which Amazon chose to sell it to the public.

With e-books, the process is quite different, and the publishers' (and authors') earnings per book are based on Amazon's selling price, not the publisher's wholesale price. It's a nice deal for Amazon, and the sheer size of the market share Bezos has captured means that, in the end, the publishers have to geek to Amazon's policies. Especially when a thoroughly stupid federal court judge completely misunderstands what's going on and sides with Amazon in a move which actually costs the reading public more, overall, given their pricing structure for all books sold rather than the bestsellers which Amazon's brief pretended (and the judge bought off on) were the only books affected.