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First Contact with the Kanga

Talk about the time traveling Kanga invasion.
Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by Garth 2   » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:17 pm

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Emo Otaku wrote:If I remember the TimeLine Correctly haven't the Kanga already detected signals from Earth?


Potential, but we would still have 80 years before they turn back up.
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by SCC   » Mon May 26, 2014 11:31 pm

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Emo Otaku wrote:If I remember the TimeLine Correctly haven't the Kanga already detected signals from Earth?

Pretty close. Milla said humanity meets them in 80. If we take that as the time when the extinction fleet entered Sol there's not much time until they find us, here's the numbers:

The scout which detected humanity was twenty ly short of Sol and took 25 years to return home.

A mission to Sol would take 30 years just to get there.

But the Kanga's gathered a warfleet first, taking 10 years to do so.

Adding up all those number comes to 65 years, meaning the scout will first detect humanity 15 years from now, roughly
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:33 pm

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Henry Brown wrote:A second scenario is that human tech develops more rapidly due to Milla's help and the wreckage of the Troll ship. As a result of this faster technological development, the Kangas detect humanity sooner in the new timeline than they did in the original timeline.

Reading through the entire thread, there is another source of advanced tech that no one mentioned. the remains of Milla's life pod are at the bottom of the ocean, and Richard would have an idea of where he was at the time he rescued her. Granted it is in the mid Atlantic, but if they can recover artifacts from the Titanic, they could recover that capsule.
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by Garth 2   » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:11 am

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
Henry Brown wrote:A second scenario is that human tech develops more rapidly due to Milla's help and the wreckage of the Troll ship. As a result of this faster technological development, the Kangas detect humanity sooner in the new timeline than they did in the original timeline.

Reading through the entire thread, there is another source of advanced tech that no one mentioned. the remains of Milla's life pod are at the bottom of the ocean, and Richard would have an idea of where he was at the time he rescued her. Granted it is in the mid Atlantic, but if they can recover artifacts from the Titanic, they could recover that capsule.


Has possibilities, especially as the life-pod was in fact the cockpit which would give them information on the neural interface technology but how likely is it that Richard would know where he was and working out where it ended up (given currents etc.) would leave a big search area.
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:40 pm

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Henry Brown wrote:A second scenario is that human tech develops more rapidly due to Milla's help and the wreckage of the Troll ship. As a result of this faster technological development, the Kangas detect humanity sooner in the new timeline than they did in the original timeline.
fallsfromtrees wrote:Reading through the entire thread, there is another source of advanced tech that no one mentioned. the remains of Milla's life pod are at the bottom of the ocean, and Richard would have an idea of where he was at the time he rescued her. Granted it is in the mid Atlantic, but if they can recover artifacts from the Titanic, they could recover that capsule.

Garth 2 wrote:Has possibilities, especially as the life-pod was in fact the cockpit which would give them information on the neural interface technology but how likely is it that Richard would know where he was and working out where it ended up (given currents etc.) would leave a big search area.

I'm fairly certain that Richard had a log, and would have noted where he was from the GPS no more than 12 hours before he had to rescue Ludmilla. Given that he was sailing single handedly in calm conditions, he wasn't moving more that 3-4knots, and that he would have known how long since the position report, and his approximate speed and direction, he should be able to pin his location down to no more than 5 miles or so, and while that is a large area, it is in fact smaller than the area searched for the Titanic. Given the value of the prize, that is well worth the effort.
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by akira.taylor   » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:43 pm

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
Henry Brown wrote:A second scenario is that human tech develops more rapidly due to Milla's help and the wreckage of the Troll ship. As a result of this faster technological development, the Kangas detect humanity sooner in the new timeline than they did in the original timeline.
fallsfromtrees wrote:Reading through the entire thread, there is another source of advanced tech that no one mentioned. the remains of Milla's life pod are at the bottom of the ocean, and Richard would have an idea of where he was at the time he rescued her. Granted it is in the mid Atlantic, but if they can recover artifacts from the Titanic, they could recover that capsule.

Garth 2 wrote:Has possibilities, especially as the life-pod was in fact the cockpit which would give them information on the neural interface technology but how likely is it that Richard would know where he was and working out where it ended up (given currents etc.) would leave a big search area.

I'm fairly certain that Richard had a log, and would have noted where he was from the GPS no more than 12 hours before he had to rescue Ludmilla. Given that he was sailing single handedly in calm conditions, he wasn't moving more that 3-4knots, and that he would have known how long since the position report, and his approximate speed and direction, he should be able to pin his location down to no more than 5 miles or so, and while that is a large area, it is in fact smaller than the area searched for the Titanic. Given the value of the prize, that is well worth the effort.


It's a large area, and searching is expensive. But see the effort we put into recovering a Russian nuclear submarine (we built a ship for it). The USN would happily do the search.
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:13 pm

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Henry Brown wrote:A second scenario is that human tech develops more rapidly due to Milla's help and the wreckage of the Troll ship. As a result of this faster technological development, the Kangas detect humanity sooner in the new timeline than they did in the original timeline.
fallsfromtrees wrote:Reading through the entire thread, there is another source of advanced tech that no one mentioned. the remains of Milla's life pod are at the bottom of the ocean, and Richard would have an idea of where he was at the time he rescued her. Granted it is in the mid Atlantic, but if they can recover artifacts from the Titanic, they could recover that capsule.

Garth 2 wrote:Has possibilities, especially as the life-pod was in fact the cockpit which would give them information on the neural interface technology but how likely is it that Richard would know where he was and working out where it ended up (given currents etc.) would leave a big search area.
fallsfromtrees wrote:I'm fairly certain that Richard had a log, and would have noted where he was from the GPS no more than 12 hours before he had to rescue Ludmilla. Given that he was sailing single handedly in calm conditions, he wasn't moving more that 3-4knots, and that he would have known how long since the position report, and his approximate speed and direction, he should be able to pin his location down to no more than 5 miles or so, and while that is a large area, it is in fact smaller than the area searched for the Titanic. Given the value of the prize, that is well worth the effort.
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It's a large area, and searching is expensive. But see the effort we put into recovering a Russian nuclear submarine (we built a ship for it). The USN would happily do the search.

And the value of the Russian nuke was no where near the value of the capsule. In addition, the US (and allied nations) would almost have to search for it, if only to keep it out of the hands of those who don't want to join the alliance, but would like to have access to the advanced tech for their own purposes.
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by DDHvi   » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:58 pm

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Brigade XO wrote:Since the Kanga have no idea the Humans are out there yet, the Humans have a fair chunk of Kanga tech (including, we suppose, scanners, ECM, regular and combat frequency ranges, codes etc,) it is possible that the initial Kanga scout could be mousetrapped. Along with potentially keeping the information about Humans quiet for a longer time, it would provide more Kanga tech

Consider that since Milla insisted that Humanity do the research work themselves (with very little in the way of telling them how the Kanga equipment worked OR how the Future Human equipment worked) that Humans will come up with a lot of or at least some unique applications from having done first the reverse engineering then building forward.

It IS possible that Kanga captured at this point could provide better insight into why they went directly to attacking in Milla's history. On the other hand, IF the Kanga ship is crewed by individuals specifically selected and trained to search out for destruction other species, this might not be productive in ways other than finding ways to counter or destroy them


If there is time, start planting human colonies in the direction directly away from the Kangas. This would be an extra string to the bow, possibly more resources, or a variation on Safehold.
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by looksbeforeheleaps   » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:21 pm

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SCC wrote:
Emo Otaku wrote:If I remember the TimeLine Correctly haven't the Kanga already detected signals from Earth?

Pretty close. Milla said humanity meets them in 80. If we take that as the time when the extinction fleet entered Sol there's not much time until they find us, here's the numbers:

The scout which detected humanity was twenty ly short of Sol and took 25 years to return home.

A mission to Sol would take 30 years just to get there.

But the Kanga's gathered a warfleet first, taking 10 years to do so.

Adding up all those number comes to 65 years, meaning the scout will first detect humanity 15 years from now, roughly

And that means that the signals that the Kanga detect have already left Earth.

So barring differences due to random effects* the Kanga should react the same as they did in Ludmilla's universe up to at least the point where their extinction fleet is most of the way back to Earth.

*this is no longer the same universe so there is no absolute guarantee that everything will work out the same way even in areas that have no communication with the events on Earth.
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Re: First Contact with the Kanga
Post by Somtaaw   » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:23 am

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A thought on bombing the Kanga's back to the stone age (and then satellites to watch over that colony) concept has been tried with one of Weber's co-authors for other series.

Ringo and his pos-verse, the Posleen (Or Pos'oslenar something or another like that) were confined to a single planet by their mysterious god/creators as a crime, and then had to "invent" a totally different hyperspace method than their god/creators knew about to escape.

A species that has spent literally thousands of years, thinking "The only good alien, is a dead one", it'd be like trying to change one of the movie Predators, that taking trophies and hunting sentients is wrong.... it just isn't going to happen :lol:


I do like the thought of sending off human colony ships in the direction away from the Kanga's. It's reminiscent of the "Old Soldiers" Bolo story, just swap the main enemy from the Puppies (aka Melconians) to the Kanga's.

But one could also argue that's rather defeatist, to be 'abandoning' the homeworld so early... perhaps a colony deliberately going to the planet to get more 'thusedas?
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