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The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy Day

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The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy Day
Post by BrightSoul   » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:07 pm

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Hello all you fellow fans. As I sit here digesting the latest snippets from the Mad Wizard Weber I had a thought. Nimue was raised Christian and we know that the inner circle has been exposed to the collected faiths of humanity at the time of the Exodus from Sol. I wonder if Mikail Stainair or Merlin might resurrect some form of the holiday tradition amongst themselves? A day of thanks, prayer and giving quietly shared amongst themselves?

I must admit I'd be interested in seeing that. Perhaps Nimue (The new Sejin) might introduce Hector and Iris to it since she hasn't been awake a full year. Merlin has been to busy to miss it but might she decide to tell the story of the son of god to her two charges?
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by TN4994   » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:44 pm

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BrightSoul wrote:Hello all you fellow fans. As I sit here digesting the latest snippets from the Mad Wizard Weber I had a thought. Nimue was raised Christian and we know that the inner circle has been exposed to the collected faiths of humanity at the time of the Exodus from Sol. I wonder if Mikail Stainair or Merlin might resurrect some form of the holiday tradition amongst themselves? A day of thanks, prayer and giving quietly shared amongst themselves?


I must admit I'd be interested in seeing that. Perhaps Nimue (The new Sejin) might introduce Hector and Iris to it since she hasn't been awake a full year. Merlin has been to busy to miss it but might she decide to tell the story of the son of god to her two charges?

Safehold has God's Day. Middle of July. From Safehold Wiki:
God’s Day, was set aside above all others for the contemplation of one’s soul and the state of God’s plan for all humanity. It was a day of solemn celebration, of joyous hymns, as well as a day on which gifts were exchanged, children were baptized, weddings were celebrated, and the praise and gratitude of the entire world ascended to the throne of God. (HFAF)
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by JeffEngel   » Thu Dec 25, 2014 2:00 pm

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TN4994 wrote:
BrightSoul wrote:Hello all you fellow fans. As I sit here digesting the latest snippets from the Mad Wizard Weber I had a thought. Nimue was raised Christian and we know that the inner circle has been exposed to the collected faiths of humanity at the time of the Exodus from Sol. I wonder if Mikail Stainair or Merlin might resurrect some form of the holiday tradition amongst themselves? A day of thanks, prayer and giving quietly shared amongst themselves?


I must admit I'd be interested in seeing that. Perhaps Nimue (The new Sejin) might introduce Hector and Iris to it since she hasn't been awake a full year. Merlin has been to busy to miss it but might she decide to tell the story of the son of god to her two charges?

Safehold has God's Day. Middle of July. From Safehold Wiki:
God’s Day, was set aside above all others for the contemplation of one’s soul and the state of God’s plan for all humanity. It was a day of solemn celebration, of joyous hymns, as well as a day on which gifts were exchanged, children were baptized, weddings were celebrated, and the praise and gratitude of the entire world ascended to the throne of God. (HFAF)

Corisande is in the southern hemisphere (well - all but a tip), so at least July is "cool" there. Relatively speaking. Back in Delferahk, Irys maybe saw a "white God's Day", but wasn't much for celebrating then.

You know, on Safehold, God's chosen who came to this mortal realm to lead people to salvation, was struck down, and will come again in judgment, was the Archangel Langhorne. They may not be altogether comfy with Christ figures just now. :P
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by TN4994   » Thu Dec 25, 2014 2:17 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:Corisande is in the southern hemisphere (well - all but a tip), so at least July is "cool" there. Relatively speaking. Back in Delferahk, Irys maybe saw a "white God's Day", but wasn't much for celebrating then.

You know, on Safehold, God's chosen who came to this mortal realm to lead people to salvation, was struck down, and will come again in judgment, was the Archangel Langhorne. They may not be altogether comfy with Christ figures just now. :P

Agree. Langhorne hijacked the faiths and became the way.
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by BrightSoul   » Thu Dec 25, 2014 2:18 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:
TN4994 wrote:Safehold has God's Day. Middle of July. From Safehold Wiki:
God’s Day, was set aside above all others for the contemplation of one’s soul and the state of God’s plan for all humanity. It was a day of solemn celebration, of joyous hymns, as well as a day on which gifts were exchanged, children were baptized, weddings were celebrated, and the praise and gratitude of the entire world ascended to the throne of God. (HFAF)

Corisande is in the southern hemisphere (well - all but a tip), so at least July is "cool" there. Relatively speaking. Back in Delferahk, Irys maybe saw a "white God's Day", but wasn't much for celebrating then.

You know, on Safehold, God's chosen who came to this mortal realm to lead people to salvation, was struck down, and will come again in judgment, was the Archangel Langhorne. They may not be altogether comfy with Christ figures just now. :P


Eventually people might draw the comparison of Pei Shan-Wei being destroyed and reviled by the people to Christ more than Langhorne. You know, the whole passive resistance thing and then getting hammered flat by the Rakurai. Generations away for now but... just a thought although I suspect she would cringe at the thought.

I had forgotten the July God's Day although I suspected I was missing it.
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by TN4994   » Thu Dec 25, 2014 2:45 pm

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BrightSoul wrote:
TN4994 wrote:Safehold has God's Day. Middle of July. From Safehold Wiki:
God’s Day, was set aside above all others for the contemplation of one’s soul and the state of God’s plan for all humanity. It was a day of solemn celebration, of joyous hymns, as well as a day on which gifts were exchanged, children were baptized, weddings were celebrated, and the praise and gratitude of the entire world ascended to the throne of God. (HFAF)

Eventually people might draw the comparison of Pei Shan-Wei being destroyed and reviled by the people to Christ more than Langhorne. You know, the whole passive resistance thing and then getting hammered flat by the Rakurai. Generations away for now but... just a thought although I suspect she would cringe at the thought.

I had forgotten the July God's Day although I suspected I was missing it.

I think it's odd to split July.
If I'd designed the 10 month calendar I wouldn't have used the Roman names. There are supposedly ten good Archangels. Use the names.
God's day would fall between the fifth and six month. The leap year day every three years has to be adjusted do to error (I had it figured out for a hundred year cycle - can't recall - something like four fours (one every 25 years) and rest three years). But it would be celebrated either at the end of the year or after the month of Sondheim.
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by ayg   » Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:24 am

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I suspect that the names of the months were decided and put into the Writ a long time before the war between the "Archangels". At that time there were a lot more than ten Archangels and all of them were seen as good.

I thought Langhorne's Watch was the compensation time each day to "adjust time" instead of using a leap day.

TN4994 wrote:I think it's odd to split July.
If I'd designed the 10 month calendar I wouldn't have used the Roman names. There are supposedly ten good Archangels. Use the names.
God's day would fall between the fifth and six month. The leap year day every three years has to be adjusted do to error (I had it figured out for a hundred year cycle - can't recall - something like four fours (one every 25 years) and rest three years). But it would be celebrated either at the end of the year or after the month of Sondheim.
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by TN4994   » Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:45 am

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ayg wrote:I suspect that the names of the months were decided and put into the Writ a long time before the war between the "Archangels". At that time there were a lot more than ten Archangels and all of them were seen as good.

I thought Langhorne's Watch was the compensation time each day to "adjust time" instead of using a leap day.

TN4994 wrote:I think it's odd to split July.
If I'd designed the 10 month calendar I wouldn't have used the Roman names. There are supposedly ten good Archangels. Use the names.
God's day would fall between the fifth and six month. The leap year day every three years has to be adjusted do to error (I had it figured out for a hundred year cycle - can't recall - something like four fours (one every 25 years) and rest three years). But it would be celebrated either at the end of the year or after the month of Sondheim.

The glossary mentions a leap day every three years.
But even without the archangels, why end a ten month calender with November? Maybe in Safehold's common language it translates to 10th month and not 9th month.
Well, if we ignored the correct meaning here, why not? DW could have eliminated the last two months added to the calendar (July & August). He chose not to.
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by JeffEngel   » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:02 am

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TN4994 wrote:The glossary mentions a leap day every three years.
But even without the archangels, why end a ten month calender with November? Maybe in Safehold's common language it translates to 10th month and not 9th month.
Well, if we ignored the correct meaning here, why not? DW could have eliminated the last two months added to the calendar (July & August). He chose not to.

I believe the idea was to take our current twelve month list and slice off the month at either end. The seven day week got the same treatment. The Roman calendar and the names of the months had nothing to do with it; Norse deity names had nothing to do with the resulting weekday names. Apart, in both cases, from a remote etymology the meaning of which was not preserved on Safehold.
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Re: The Inner Circle and Christmas - a thought on this Holy
Post by TN4994   » Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:12 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:
TN4994 wrote:The glossary mentions a leap day every three years.
But even without the archangels, why end a ten month calender with November? Maybe in Safehold's common language it translates to 10th month and not 9th month.
Well, if we ignored the correct meaning here, why not? DW could have eliminated the last two months added to the calendar (July & August). He chose not to.

I believe the idea was to take our current twelve month list and slice off the month at either end. The seven day week got the same treatment. The Roman calendar and the names of the months had nothing to do with it; Norse deity names had nothing to do with the resulting weekday names. Apart, in both cases, from a remote etymology the meaning of which was not preserved on Safehold.

I noticed that. DW just treated the names as common language and disregarded the historical significance, because he chose to.
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