Firebrand's agenda...

What about BGEN Yucel's secret files. Remember the secret recordings of Hongboe Bardasano Veracchio & Co in SoS. How much more information was there in those files.

Armed Neo-Bob wrote:I expect she took something to induct her into her next state of existence, prior to allowing the likes of Jeremy X the option of not allowing her the fifth amendment. But the text just didn't mention her when it discussed Saburo's interrogations.

There was a comment way back when in the books that you can't practically extract info out of people who have been prepared to resist it. Essentially they just die if you try it.

kzt wrote:

Armed Neo-Bob wrote:I expect she took something to induct her into her next state of existence, prior to allowing the likes of Jeremy X the option of not allowing her the fifth amendment. But the text just didn't mention her when it discussed Saburo's interrogations.

There was a comment way back when in the books that you can't practically extract info out of people who have been prepared to resist it. Essentially they just die if you try it.

And if she was MAN, she may well have had nanotech incorporated to ensure that she died.

kzt wrote:

Armed Neo-Bob wrote:I expect she took something to induct her into her next state of existence, prior to allowing the likes of Jeremy X the option of not allowing her the fifth amendment. But the text just didn't mention her when it discussed Saburo's interrogations.

There was a comment way back when in the books that you can't practically extract info out of people who have been prepared to resist it. Essentially they just die if you try it.

The bit with Betty Gohr as an officer on Gauntlet said otherwise; not that they wouldn't die, but that abusive methods of information extraction result in less than reliable information. Another comment, elsewhere, that a POV character had been given a package to resist all known truth sera; emphasis on 'known.'

Methods change. No one can resist interrogation forever--that is why Cachat takes his suicide device everywhere he goes.

Rob

Armed Neo-Bob wrote:Methods change. No one can resist interrogation forever--that is why Cachat takes his suicide device everywhere he goes.

Rob

That is also due in large part to the fact that he is paranoid and sometimes overly dramatic.

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SharkHunter wrote:Nice. TOTALLY forgot about her, but I'm assuming she's Mesan Navy and knows nothing about the MAlign. If she's still alive, it would be interesting to know what she knows, I agree.

No, it was explicitly stated she was MAN. But it doesn't matter. She simply chooses to not talk. You are going to do what with the only treecat on Torch?

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I believe the effective technique was
Subaru X places Holocube on desk
"Her name was Lara, and her ghost REALLY wants you to tell me everything you know....."

-- Stewart

[quote="SharkHunter"]Given that Damian Harahap AKA Firebrand has now appeared in a couple different books, and Henke's master minions (Oversteegen, Terekhov, Zavala, etc.) are totally screwing his plans up, know his name, and are obviously closing in, we'll see him again.

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Harahap / Firebrand is an opportunist -- admitted in his unspoken comments to himself -- He was playing the best game available.

If caught, and with a reasonable assurance of not being exiled to Montana or Kornati, he will likely tell all he knows.
On the grand scale, he really knows little other than confirmation that Mesan agents were responsible for most of the unrest.
He can tell where he operated and where other operations (not his) occurred that he knows about, but in reality he is a local, tactical operator, NOT a strategic planner or manipulator.

-- Stewart

Firebrand doesn't really have a personal agenda beyond making the best of it and surviving.

He's quiet aware of what's he doing, but he see it as the only choice. After all for him and his buddies its the only game in town.

stewart wrote:Harahap / Firebrand is an opportunist -- admitted in his unspoken comments to himself -- He was playing the best game available.

If caught, and with a reasonable assurance of not being exiled to Montana or Kornati, he will likely tell all he knows.
On the grand scale, he really knows little other than confirmation that Mesan agents were responsible for most of the unrest.
He can tell where he operated and where other operations (not his) occurred that he knows about, but in reality he is a local, tactical operator, NOT a strategic planner or manipulator.

-- Stewart

Good points. While I don't think it would be Henke's call, telling where else he operated might spare give her reason to offer the possibility of sparing him the death penalty [though not extended incarceration] in my book, because it would give the RMN a road map to save lives by getting to those systems quickly. Likely Harahap would still have to go back to the Talbott Quadrant to stand trial, where it would be up to the Governor whether to give him a limited pardon. Yes/no?

SharkHunter wrote:

stewart wrote:Harahap / Firebrand is an opportunist -- admitted in his unspoken comments to himself -- He was playing the best game available.

If caught, and with a reasonable assurance of not being exiled to Montana or Kornati, he will likely tell all he knows.
On the grand scale, he really knows little other than confirmation that Mesan agents were responsible for most of the unrest.
He can tell where he operated and where other operations (not his) occurred that he knows about, but in reality he is a local, tactical operator, NOT a strategic planner or manipulator.

-- Stewart

Good points. While I don't think it would be Henke's call, telling where else he operated might spare give her reason to offer the possibility of sparing him the death penalty [though not extended incarceration] in my book, because it would give the RMN a road map to save lives by getting to those systems quickly. Likely Harahap would still have to go back to the Talbott Quadrant to stand trial, where it would be up to the Governor whether to give him a limited pardon. Yes/no?

There is no reason for Harahap to worry about returned to Montana - he committed no crime there. He has promised Westman arms, but they were never actually delivered, and other than meeting with him a couple of times, had nothing to do with his operations (all of which were amnestied anyway). As far as being returned to Kornati, yes he arranged for arms for the FAK, but in fact, we have no textev that any of those arms were ever used in operations on Kornati. Most of them were destroyed in the raid on the training center, and the others scattered in small caches around the planet. While I am sure that Norbrandt did use some of those items, all of her operations prior to the delivery were from local resources, not the stuff that he supplied. If he agrees to help trap her, I suspect that he can arrange to walk, or at least get off with minimal incarceration, and he could prove invaluable as an asset in taking down OFS in the region, as he has a lot of knowledge about the resistance groups in the area, even those he wasn't actively encouraging.