Chemistry and misc. stuff concerning it.

rbhawk wrote:I do not know much about the history of chemistry but would it be possible for someone in the circle to "discover" the periodic table?
I think it would make the job of chemists not in the circle a lot easier.
Not to mention that it would advance the scientific method a lot.

Does someone with a chemistry background know if this is possible and which discoveries are still needed before we can have our mendeljev discover it?

Draken wrote:

rbhawk wrote:I do not know much about the history of chemistry but would it be possible for someone in the circle to "discover" the periodic table?
I think it would make the job of chemists not in the circle a lot easier.
Not to mention that it would advance the scientific method a lot.

Does someone with a chemistry background know if this is possible and which discoveries are still needed before we can have our mendeljev discover it?

We only know very few elements, in time of Mendelejev periodic table, they knew something around 70% of them. Also they had equations needed for calculating mass of elements. First we need a lot of equations to be discovered before we can push further.
We nim Paoloni and Bohr to appear, before we can create that thing, also we need Descartes so we could push mathematic and equations much further. Without him we can't solve more complicated equations.
Something similar to this:
{5x-2=y^2-3
{2y-6=xy-1
^I don't know if that equation is correct but I wanted only example. We could easily solve it, cus we have knowledge how to do it, on Safehold they don't have that knowledge.

Draken wrote:

rbhawk wrote:I do not know much about the history of chemistry but would it be possible for someone in the circle to "discover" the periodic table?
I think it would make the job of chemists not in the circle a lot easier.
Not to mention that it would advance the scientific method a lot.

Does someone with a chemistry background know if this is possible and which discoveries are still needed before we can have our mendeljev discover it?

We only know very few elements, in time of Mendelejev periodic table, they knew something around 70% of them. Also they had equations needed for calculating mass of elements. First we need a lot of equations to be discovered before we can push further.
We nim Paoloni and Bohr to appear, before we can create that thing, also we need Descartes so we could push mathematic and equations much further. Without him we can't solve more complicated equations.
Something similar to this:
{5x-2=y^2-3
{2y-6=xy-1
^I don't know if that equation is correct but I wanted only example. We could easily solve it, cus we have knowledge how to do it, on Safehold they don't have that knowledge.

Draken wrote:

rbhawk wrote:... Without him we can't solve more complicated equations.
Something similar to this:
{5x-2=y^2-3
{2y-6=xy-1
^I don't know if that equation is correct but I wanted only example. We could easily solve it, cus we have knowledge how to do it, on Safehold they don't have that knowledge.

Captain Igloo wrote:

fleadermouse wrote:SNIP
Finally back to the Acids, yes they can be made in other ways like mixing halogens and nonmetal oxides with water but you have to make the chlorine etc. first. All industrial acids can be made from concentrated sulfuric which is most commonly manufactured as a byproduct from electrolytic separation of metals in areas that have lots of cheap electricity like the Tennessee Vally River Authority.

Without electricity Large Scale production of acids is very expensive and dangerous.

Sulfuric acid production is the backbone of the chemicals industry it is used in countless processes and without it the entire industry grinds to a halt.

In the 19th century the Lead Chamber process was a well known and understood process for producing sulfuric acid. The process starts with hot sulfur dioxide gas entering the bottom of a reactor called a Glover tower where it is washed with nitrous vitriol (sulfuric acid with nitric oxide, NO, and nitrogen dioxide, NO2, dissolved in it) and mixed with nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide gases. The Glover tower serves two functions; concentration of the chamber acid and stripping of nitrogen oxides from the liquid to the gas or denitration. Concentration of the chamber acid (62% to 68% H2SO4) is achieved by the hot gases entering the tower which evaporate water from the acid. Some of the sulfur dioxide is oxidized to sulfur trioxide and dissolved in the acid wash to form tower acid or Glover acid (about 78% H2SO4). The dissolved nitrogen oxides are stripped from the acid and carried with the gas out of the Glover tower into the lead chambers.

From the Glover tower a mixture of gases (including sulfur dioxide and trioxide, nitrogen oxides, nitrogen, oxygen, and steam) is transferred to a lead-lined chamber where it is reacted with more water. The chamber may be a large, boxlike room or an enclosure in the form of a truncated cone. Sulfuric acid is formed by a complex series of reactions; it condenses on the walls and collects on the floor of the chamber. There may be from three to twelve chambers in a series; the gases pass through each in succession. The acid produced in the chambers, often called chamber acid or fertilizer acid, contains 62% to 68% H2SO4. Both types of acids could be concentrated by heating to 93% H2SO4.

And if catalytic chemistry is available (and accepted) there is also the contact process. The process
was first patented in 1831, but in spite of the obvious advantages of the contact process over chamber plants for the production of high strength sulfuric acid and oleum used for dyes and nitrocellulose (smokeless powder), the commercial development of the process was extremely slow. Chemical technology of the time, especially involving catalytic reactions, was limited.

AirTech wrote: BIG SNIPPPPPP

Elemental sulfur occurs naturally and as it is a component of gunpowder, a significant supply would be to hand...

Draken wrote:

rbhawk wrote:I do not know much about the history of chemistry but would it be possible for someone in the circle to "discover" the periodic table?
I think it would make the job of chemists not in the circle a lot easier.
Not to mention that it would advance the scientific method a lot.

Does someone with a chemistry background know if this is possible and which discoveries are still needed before we can have our mendeljev discover it?

We only know very few elements, in time of Mendelejev periodic table, they knew something around 70% of them. Also they had equations needed for calculating mass of elements. First we need a lot of equations to be discovered before we can push further.
We nim Paoloni and Bohr to appear, before we can create that thing, also we need Descartes so we could push mathematic and equations much further. Without him we can't solve more complicated equations.
Something similar to this:
{5x-2=y^2-3
{2y-6=xy-1
^I don't know if that equation is correct but I wanted only example. We could easily solve it, cus we have knowledge how to do it, on Safehold they don't have that knowledge.