WARNING HFQ SPOILER! Thrisk minnisnippet poll

n7axw wrote:
This shifts the discussion some, but I have been thinking about Clyntahn. He's got to see which way the wind is blowing after the complete destruction of one army and two more who have already been defeated and probably will be destroyed early in HFQ. He is presumably a smart man, but his motto seems to be "if it doesn't work, try it over again the same way, only harder...

Don

Questions:
Due to the degradation of the human genome since the colonists first arrived, is it possible that we have an insane Vicar? (Similar to King George III's illness.)
Did Clynthan's family try to keep the bloodline noble?
Will we be inundated in sentences of over 300 words?

Tonto Silerheels wrote:Highjohn wrote:

While he doesn't make war painless he doesn't kill off characters as often as they need to be killed of to really make it like war/life.

I have, coward-like, declined to vote as yet, but I'm inclining toward option number 2 as well. It occurs to me that Clyntahn's prejudices have been growing through recent novels, and that has caused people to begin concealing things from him, and protecting people from him. If Clyntahn should ever find out, and he has an excellent intelligence service, then issuing assassination orders is entirely in character.


If it was real war then both Iris and Hector would have died(And Narhmahn would be completely dead, instead of reincarnated), because in real life you don't get last minute reprieves.

I take your point, and it's a good one. An alternative, though, is that advanced technology is available to Merlin. There were wounds received during the thirty-years war that were invariably fatal. Those same wounds would have had a nineteen-in-twenty survival rate in the Korean war.

~Tonto

I don't believe that it was Clyntahn. If he is going to take someone to task for concealing things from him, he will just have him arrested by the inquisition along with his family in order to make an example of him. Clyntahn's assassination attempts are along the lines of the Rakurai, targeted people he can't get at directly.

TN4994 wrote:

n7axw wrote:
This shifts the discussion some, but I have been thinking about Clyntahn. He's got to see which way the wind is blowing after the complete destruction of one army and two more who have already been defeated and probably will be destroyed early in HFQ. He is presumably a smart man, but his motto seems to be "if it doesn't work, try it over again the same way, only harder...

Don

Questions:
Due to the degradation of the human genome since the colonists first arrived, is it possible that we have an insane Vicar? (Similar to King George III's illness.)
Did Clynthan's family try to keep the bloodline noble?
Will we be inundated in sentences of over 300 words?

I don't think that there is any doubt that Clyntahn is clinically insane. I don't see any reason to blame it on a degeneration of the human genome - there is in fact, no textev whatsoever for such a degeneration. Is it possible that Clyntahn's insanity is due to inbreeding among the church familys? Possible, but we don't see any evidence of that in the Wylsynn family, which is one of the oldest church families on the planet.

Highjohn wrote:I voted 2.

There I admitted I am one of those foolish trusting souls, who doesn't suspect the Chaser of a Green Vegetable of being a deceitful, lying, psychopath who enjoys throwing chum into the pool of piranhas to watch them eat each other in a frenzy.
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He is not a "deceitful, lying, psychopath". He is an individual is is extremely capable of telling just enough of the truth, and then letting the forum deduce his lies for themselves. Later he can quote what he did say, and point out that it's not his fault people can't read simple English.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Highjohn wrote:I voted 2.

There I admitted I am one of those foolish trusting souls, who doesn't suspect the Chaser of a Green Vegetable of being a deceitful, lying, psychopath who enjoys throwing chum into the pool of piranhas to watch them eat each other in a frenzy.
snip

He is not a "deceitful, lying, psychopath". He is an individual is is extremely capable of telling just enough of the truth, and then letting the forum deduce his lies for themselves. Later he can quote what he did say, and point out that it's not his fault people can't read simple English.

OMG, he's a political speech writer!!!!

fallsfromtrees wrote:

TN4994 wrote: Questions:
Due to the degradation of the human genome since the colonists first arrived, is it possible that we have an insane Vicar? (Similar to King George III's illness.)
Did Clynthan's family try to keep the bloodline noble?
Will we be inundated in sentences of over 300 words?

I don't think that there is any doubt that Clyntahn is clinically insane. I don't see any reason to blame it on a degeneration of the human genome - there is in fact, no textev whatsoever for such a degeneration. Is it possible that Clyntahn's insanity is due to inbreeding among the church familys? Possible, but we don't see any evidence of that in the Wylsynn family, which is one of the oldest church families on the planet.

I must of misread the intention of the life expectancy decreasing and the intent of health writs of Pasquale.
I took it that the health enhancements would decline over time due to the living environment and lack of pre-colonization medical care.

TN4994 wrote:

I must of misread the intention of the life expectancy decreasing and the intent of health writs of Pasquale.
I took it that the health enhancements would decline over time due to the living environment and lack of pre-colonization medical care.

As I understand it, prior to creation all humans received anti-gerone treatments, and thus had extremely long lives as compared to actual humanity in the year 2014. It was explained to the adams and eves that they had long lives because their bodies had been crafted by God and thus were very nearly perfect.

~Tonto

Tonto Silerheels wrote:TN4994 wrote:

I must of misread the intention of the life expectancy decreasing and the intent of health writs of Pasquale.
I took it that the health enhancements would decline over time due to the living environment and lack of pre-colonization medical care.

As I understand it, prior to creation all humans received anti-gerone treatments, and thus had extremely long lives as compared to actual humanity in the year 2014. It was explained to the adams and eves that they had long lives because their bodies had been crafted by God and thus were very nearly perfect.

~Tonto

That's what I mean. Then each generation's life span decreased over time to the stabilization we see in this time period.

TN4994 wrote:That's what I mean. Then each generation's life span decreased over time to the stabilization we see in this time period.

No, the first Safehold-born generation would have reverted to humanity's natural "Three-score and Ten" life expectancy from the Adams and Eves' "Thirty-score Plus." The Anti-gerone treatments weren't inheritable or available after "Creation."

Weird Harold wrote:

TN4994 wrote:That's what I mean. Then each generation's life span decreased over time to the stabilization we see in this time period.

No, the first Safehold-born generation would have reverted to humanity's natural "Three-score and Ten" life expectancy from the Adams and Eves' "Thirty-score Plus." The Anti-gerone treatments weren't inheritable or available after "Creation."

Not yet, they don't have real medicine so diseases are deadly and death rates are very high. They're hell better than on Earth in XVIII century, but we need modern medicine to make life of people longer. Penicillin shouldn't be that hard to get and it's good for any kind of disease.
Anyway, back to Thirsk, I think that he had a meeting with one of seijins and that he have some kind of armor. From fee books in the past we know that he doesnt want to fight for CoGA anymore, so changing colors is only good thing to do for him. Killing him without a reason is pointless, it will make naval warfare even more one sided, even with Thirsk working for Charis it wouldn't be that one sided fight. If he would be shot without reason, every officer won't risk any risky tactic, cus he don't want to be shoot. Effects would be similar to 1944/45 German commanders work, they were often overruled by Hitler and it had similar effect to killing best officers without any reason.