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Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by Hutch   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:47 pm

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So, the Malignment has disappeared to Darius and nobody knows where the heart of the Evil Conspiracy (tm) is.

But like any good mystery, the MWW has left clues on how they might be found.

Two are rather recent; Anton's research on the missing Mesans and the two 'Non-GAUL' escorted personnel, both in CoG.

But that doesn't mean that there isn't other clues out in the Honorverse.

I note that in Torch of Freedom, Drs. Kare and Wix remarked about the 'kick' in the wormhole readings and were noticably absent when the Harvest Joy made it's first (and final) passage through the Torch wormhole.

Now, spending several pages of text to show that these two gentlemen were not killed and that they have every reason to examine the 'killer' wormhole closely (and knowing as we do where that wormhole eventually leads), makes me think that we have not heard the last of our two eminent scientists and that they have a role to play in unravelling the mystery.

We shall see, eventually.
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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by SharkHunter   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:53 pm

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I gotta ask, is there a post that has the acronym series explained in it? I've figured out most of them but... What or who is MWW?
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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by drothgery   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:58 pm

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SharkHunter wrote:I gotta ask, is there a post that has the acronym series explained in it? I've figured out most of them but... What or who is MWW?

The Mad Wizard Weber. One of many names used for David Weber. Also RFC, short for runsforcelery, which is his username here.
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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by SharkHunter   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:08 pm

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My thoughts:

1. They're not on or headed towards any of the RF systems that Albrecht Detweiler and Co. identified in a prior conversation as having "iffy" leadership. I don't remember which book has the textev for the names of those systems however.

2. They're not headed close to Beowulf or "Beowulf daughter colony" for any reason whatsoever. That would be like handing an easier discovery of the Detweilers alive and well to the BSC, etc. on a gold platter.

3. Astrographically, they'll be headed towards "inhabited galactic center" or a world with reasonable wormhole proximity to it. That might point to ONE of the RF systems. Can't influence the flow of events quickly enough from the back-side of nowhere.

So any clues we detect have to make sense in light of those three items. Yes/no?

RF=Renaissance Factor BSC = Beowulf Survey Corps
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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by Draken   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:19 pm

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SharkHunter wrote:My thoughts:

1. They're not on or headed towards any of the RF systems that Albrecht Detweiler and Co. identified in a prior conversation as having "iffy" leadership. I don't remember which book has the textev for the names of those systems however.

2. They're not headed close to Beowulf or "Beowulf daughter colony" for any reason whatsoever. That would be like handing an easier discovery of the Detweilers alive and well to the BSC, etc. on a gold platter.

3. Astrographically, they'll be headed towards "inhabited galactic center" or a world with reasonable wormhole proximity to it. That might point to ONE of the RF systems. Can't influence the flow of events quickly enough from the back-side of nowhere.

So any clues we detect have to make sense in light of those three items. Yes/no?

RF=Renaissance Factor BSC = Beowulf Survey Corps

2. It will be weird if they will traveled closer to Beowulf, but on the other hand it makes perfect sense, because nobody is searching for enemy in his garden.
3. Wormholes now are kinda restricted, so it doesn't matter where they would settle, making base in galactic center is a wise move, but it's area frequently checked for any unusual stuff, better idea would be establishing base somewhere outside of Core.
They have two most important informations to find them, are those weird readings on Torch wormhole and missing important people from Mesa. Is it possible for Torch having another wormhole? If so, it would explained why Mesa invested in it large amounts of cash.
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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by SharkHunter   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:37 pm

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Draken wrote: Is it possible for Torch having another wormhole? If so, it would explained why Mesa invested in it large amounts of cash.
I am think that the Torch wormhole has one problem and one bit of usefulness for the MA, and we already know that the problem is that it leads right to Alignment space with a big naval presence. My thought as to usefulness is "invasion pathway", which is why they'd love to have Torch pretty much depopulated so that they could move an entire fleet into "Haven sector space" sequentially, and from their roll up a lot of star systems very quickly.

With a whole lot of system defense pods and "first line navy tech" to throw missiles at an arriving fleet, and heaven forbid that the RTN built junction forts or put part of a slightly larger fleet presence en-garde.
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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by JohnRoth   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:07 pm

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Hutch wrote:So, the Malignment has disappeared to Darius and nobody knows where the heart of the Evil Conspiracy (tm) is.

But like any good mystery, the MWW has left clues on how they might be found.

Two are rather recent; Anton's research on the missing Mesans and the two 'Non-GAUL' escorted personnel, both in CoG.


I doubt if Anton's research is going to lead directly to Darius. At best, it's going to provide fuel for Mesan researchers to confirm that something like "Houdini" went down, not where the rat-hole leads to.

Zack McBryde probably knows where The Twins are, or at least knows the catalog number. If that's so, a very stealthy picket watching it for activity might spot a ship or two - and identify them as Mannerheim construction.

Hutch wrote:But that doesn't mean that there isn't other clues out in the Honorverse.

I note that in Torch of Freedom, Drs. Kare and Wix remarked about the 'kick' in the wormhole readings and were noticably absent when the Harvest Joy made it's first (and final) passage through the Torch wormhole.

Now, spending several pages of text to show that these two gentlemen were not killed and that they have every reason to examine the 'killer' wormhole closely (and knowing as we do where that wormhole eventually leads), makes me think that we have not heard the last of our two eminent scientists and that they have a role to play in unravelling the mystery.

We shall see, eventually.


It took several pages to find this?:

Torch of Freedom wrote:"And that's my point," Berry said. "From what you're saying, it sounds to me like the return charting ought to be pretty straightforward. They aren't going to need you or Dr. Wix to do it, at any rate, right?"
"Right," Kare acknowledged with manifest unwillingness. "But—"
"But I'm afraid that means you're staying home, Doctor." There was understanding, and more than a little compassion, in the teenaged monarch's voice, yet that voice was also firm. "I know we're almost certainly worrying about nothing. And I know how much I always hated it when Daddy told me I couldn't do something I really wanted to do. Especially when I knew that he knew I wasn't really going to get into trouble if I did it. And I know you're going to be really pissed off if I don't let you go along with Captain Zachary. Despite which, I'm not going to."
"Your Majesty—" Kare began, but Berry shook her head.
"Doctor," she said with a very slight yet undeniably impish smile, "you're grounded."
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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by JohnRoth   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:39 pm

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SharkHunter wrote:My thoughts:

1. They're not on or headed towards any of the RF systems that Albrecht Detweiler and Co. identified in a prior conversation as having "iffy" leadership. I don't remember which book has the textev for the names of those systems however.

2. They're not headed close to Beowulf or "Beowulf daughter colony" for any reason whatsoever. That would be like handing an easier discovery of the Detweilers alive and well to the BSC, etc. on a gold platter.

3. Astrographically, they'll be headed towards "inhabited galactic center" or a world with reasonable wormhole proximity to it. That might point to ONE of the RF systems. Can't influence the flow of events quickly enough from the back-side of nowhere.

So any clues we detect have to make sense in light of those three items. Yes/no?

RF=Renaissance Factor BSC = Beowulf Survey Corps


Most people think they're headed to Darius, so that simply puts a name on it.

The biggest factor is that, wherever it is, it has to be close enough to the wormhole network that they can patch into their existing intel and C&C network with a minimum of disruption. That probably means a week or less via streak drive.

The biggest clue is probably Albrecht's movements from the RF meeting, the meeting on Darius and then back home to when he issues the next set of orders. Getting all 11 of the RF heads of state together for a meeting -- and the implication is that they do this regularly -- implies that they're all probably less than two weeks away from Mannerheim -- including wormhole transits and using the streak drive. That doesn't say anything about Albrecht, since Mesa is essentially the same distance as Visigoth, and Darius is right next door to Mannerheim (one wormhole transit and 10 ly).
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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by n7axw   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:09 pm

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Hutch wrote:So, the Malignment has disappeared to Darius and nobody knows where the heart of the Evil Conspiracy (tm) is.

But like any good mystery, the MWW has left clues on how they might be found.

Two are rather recent; Anton's research on the missing Mesans and the two 'Non-GAUL' escorted personnel, both in CoG.

But that doesn't mean that there isn't other clues out in the Honorverse.

I note that in Torch of Freedom, Drs. Kare and Wix remarked about the 'kick' in the wormhole readings and were noticably absent when the Harvest Joy made it's first (and final) passage through the Torch wormhole.

Now, spending several pages of text to show that these two gentlemen were not killed and that they have every reason to examine the 'killer' wormhole closely (and knowing as we do where that wormhole eventually leads), makes me think that we have not heard the last of our two eminent scientists and that they have a role to play in unravelling the mystery.

We shall see, eventually.


Hi Hutch,

Could you expand a bit on the two non-Gaul missing Mesans? I seem to be losing a gear here in terms of what you are talking about. All I can come up with are Gail and Zach and there would be no way for Anton to know about that.

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Re: Hunting the MAlignment: MWW Clue's
Post by SharkHunter   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:32 pm

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--snip--
JohnRoth wrote:...The biggest clue is probably Albrecht's movements from the RF meeting, the meeting on Darius and then back home to when he issues the next set of orders. Getting all 11 of the RF heads of state together for a meeting -- and the implication is that they do this regularly -- implies that they're all probably less than two weeks away from Mannerheim -- including wormhole transits and using the streak drive. That doesn't say anything about Albrecht, since Mesa is essentially the same distance as Visigoth, and Darius is right next door to Mannerheim (one wormhole transit and 10 ly).

That was it exactly, found it... Just prior to the meeting Albrecht tells his "sons"
Mission of Honor wrote:"In the meantime, though," his father said rather more briskly, "I want you and Daniel to come to Mannerheim with me."

A bit later RFC tells us that Mannerheim has the largest navy in the Alignment, and in Torch of Freedom we know that MSDF knew about Harvest Joy's destruction at "SGC-902", plus Mannerheim trying to keep a wormhole junction 'hid' until they can acquire the rights to it, something they've been working on for many years. Curiouser and curiouser...no?
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