Chemistry and misc. stuff concerning it.

Is it possible to lauch oil processing on big scale without any for of electricity, with possibility of very fast upgrade to electricity if needed? If they will be sure that OBS is inactive or won't react for any for of electricity.
If I'm correct most of acids needed for industry are hard to get in big quantities without electricity.
If I recall correctly we have gun cotton produced in big quantities, what about switching to TNT and modern explosives?
We have all things needed for production of them, oil, chemical components, knowledge and we need them as fast as possible. CoGA shouldn't have technology to effectively produce gun cotton in big quantities for his troops and modern explosives, would be impossible to get.

Draken wrote:

Is it possible to lauch oil processing on big scale without any for of electricity, with possibility of very fast upgrade to electricity if needed?

There was quite a bit of discussion recently how to supply industrial quantities of oxygen. It's not a large step from oxygen purification to fractional distillation and cracking of petroleum.

~Tonto

Draken wrote:Is it possible to lauch oil processing on big scale without any for of electricity, with possibility of very fast upgrade to electricity if needed? If they will be sure that OBS is inactive or won't react for any for of electricity.
If I'm correct most of acids needed for industry are hard to get in big quantities without electricity.
If I recall correctly we have gun cotton produced in big quantities, what about switching to TNT and modern explosives?
We have all things needed for production of them, oil, chemical components, knowledge and we need them as fast as possible. CoGA shouldn't have technology to effectively produce gun cotton in big quantities for his troops and modern explosives, would be impossible to get.

Could it be that the answer to your question would depend on how much processing is needed? I am completely unfamiliar with the processes involved, but IIRC early use of automobilies run on fuel that was developed prior to widespread use of electricity. Also, diesel requires a much cruder form of refinement than gasoline.

Hopefully more knowledgeable heads will weigh in here. I would like to know the answer myself.

Don

From what I know about cracking of oil, it just need temperature to separate lighter fractions of it from heavier.

n7axw wrote:
Could it be that the answer to your question would depend on how much processing is needed? I am completely unfamiliar with the processes involved, but IIRC early use of automobilies run on fuel that was developed prior to widespread use of electricity. Also, diesel requires a much cruder form of refinement than gasoline.

Hopefully more knowledgeable heads will weigh in here. I would like to know the answer myself.

Don

The fuel required for big ship diesel engines is not the same as the stuf used in Mercedes luxury limos.

Tanstaafl wrote:

n7axw wrote:
Could it be that the answer to your question would depend on how much processing is needed? I am completely unfamiliar with the processes involved, but IIRC early use of automobilies run on fuel that was developed prior to widespread use of electricity. Also, diesel requires a much cruder form of refinement than gasoline.

Hopefully more knowledgeable heads will weigh in here. I would like to know the answer myself.

Don

The fuel required for big ship diesel engines is not the same as the stuf used in Mercedes luxury limos.

I am sure that is true. But the thing is that no one is proposing Mercedes luxury limos at this time. What we are wanting to know is can oil products -gasoline or whatever - be developed that engines can run on. The answer to that my hunch tells me is yes. But I don't have anything solid to really make that assertion upon. Since electricity is out at least for the moment, that probably thrusts us toward diesel and whatever is needed as lubricating oils.

Don

Tanstaafl wrote:

The fuel required for big ship diesel engines is not the same as the stuf used in Mercedes luxury limos.

Ship diesel engine will run on almost anything and normal fuel us worst grade effect of cracking, if you don't have anything better it would go on kerosene which is highest grade product of cracking and aircraft are using it as fuel. Gasoline is medium grade product of cracking.
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For lubricant we can use organic oil, but not everywhere. Production of synthetic lubricant shouldn't be that hard, it will be nuisance but not hard.

Hi Draken,

Your comment about synthetics is interesting. But say, 30 weight Pennzoil was out there long before synthetics in our timeline. Are the synthetics easier to process than the stuff developed from crude?

The difficulty with the organic stuff is that it is harvested from krackens and the great sea dragons which means that the supplies will probably too limited for industrial use once industry is cranked up. Then there is the issue of hunting these creatures to extinction.

Don

n7axw wrote:The difficulty with the organic stuff is that it is harvested from krackens and the great sea dragons

Not all of the organic oils are "whale oil" analogs. There is fire-vine oil and one other plant based source of lamp oil and lubricants mentioned in text.

Weird Harold wrote:

n7axw wrote:The difficulty with the organic stuff is that it is harvested from krackens and the great sea dragons

Not all of the organic oils are "whale oil" analogs. There is fire-vine oil and one other plant based source of lamp oil and lubricants mentioned in text.

Hi Harold,

Ok, I remember that. But although there would be fairly large quantities of that available, it would seem to me that at least given the methods currently available for getting at it, it would be pretty labor intensive to harvest in quantity which really doesn't seem like a good answer either.

Don