Why no Crusher the first time?

SWM wrote:I don't think you can get recommended for ATC until you are under consideration for command. In other words, you generally go straight from ATC to your new command.

I doubt that every ATC student has a specific command waiting their completion of the course. More likely, the majority of ATC students go on a list of "available for command appropriate to rank." Only exceptional officers, like Honor, get a command directly out of ATC; perhaps the top ten percent or so of each class in peacetime.

One note: It is mentioned that only a few commanders get to command a destroyer, as Honor did. Back in her time, this was almost always an outdated destroyer.

HMS Tristam is a destroyer, albeit the most modern class. Perhaps due to the exponential growth of the navy, and the fact that Naomi earned her right by trial of fire, she was granted the Tristam, and will do the crusher before her next command.

Since RFC never explained, and the timelines between the crusher hnd her injuries don't reconcile, this could be one alternative.

So there seems to be a consensus that Honor's Crusher attendance timeline was the usual case, or at heart that it wasn't normally taught to senior-form middies. I'll retain my skepticism on this point, since I still don't see clear textev. However, by the time she taught, it clearly was taught to middies in a war-rushed and shortened undergraduate education. Abigail & peers under Oversteegen (or was it Helen Z and company?) were on their middie tour and talking about how many dinners they were invited to. Maybe the process changed, or maybe it was always that way and Honor's route to ATC was unusual? Or maybe the exigencies of service of the plot line demand it be this way?

Dca wrote:However, by the time she taught, it clearly was taught to middies in a war-rushed and shortened undergraduate education.

Just as both elementary students and college students study English or Math, so Middies and ATC students study tactics. The complexity and difficulty of the subject matter differs but the general subject heading is the same.

ATC stands for Advanced Tactical Course; it isn't suitable for introductory level students.

Dca wrote:So there seems to be a consensus that Honor's Crusher attendance timeline was the usual case, or at heart that it wasn't normally taught to senior-form middies. I'll retain my skepticism on this point, since I still don't see clear textev. However, by the time she taught, it clearly was taught to middies in a war-rushed and shortened undergraduate education. Abigail & peers under Oversteegen (or was it Helen Z and company?) were on their middie tour and talking about how many dinners they were invited to. Maybe the process changed, or maybe it was always that way and Honor's route to ATC was unusual? Or maybe the exigencies of service of the plot line demand it be this way?

No, she commanded the ATC. She ALSO taught tactics to midshipmen at the academy because she wanted to. A <> B

kzt wrote:

Dca wrote:So there seems to be a consensus that Honor's Crusher attendance timeline was the usual case, or at heart that it wasn't normally taught to senior-form middies. I'll retain my skepticism on this point, since I still don't see clear textev. However, by the time she taught, it clearly was taught to middies in a war-rushed and shortened undergraduate education. Abigail & peers under Oversteegen (or was it Helen Z and company?) were on their middie tour and talking about how many dinners they were invited to. Maybe the process changed, or maybe it was always that way and Honor's route to ATC was unusual? Or maybe the exigencies of service of the plot line demand it be this way?

No, she commanded the ATC. She ALSO taught tactics to midshipmen at the academy because she wanted to. A <> B

She was asked to take two sections of Intro to Tactics at the academy, as well as asked to be Commandant of the ATC.

Honor is the type who would consider watching het torturing her advanced students s good learning oppertunity and motivation for her basic students.

kzt wrote:

Dca wrote:So there seems to be a consensus that Honor's Crusher attendance timeline was the usual case, or at heart that it wasn't normally taught to senior-form middies. I'll retain my skepticism on this point, since I still don't see clear textev. However, by the time she taught, it clearly was taught to middies in a war-rushed and shortened undergraduate education. Abigail & peers under Oversteegen (or was it Helen Z and company?) were on their middie tour and talking about how many dinners they were invited to. Maybe the process changed, or maybe it was always that way and Honor's route to ATC was unusual? Or maybe the exigencies of service of the plot line demand it be this way?

No, she commanded the ATC. She ALSO taught tactics to midshipmen at the academy because she wanted to. A <> B

Had to look up the textev, but you're right. It was Abigail in TSotS who had been in one of the other tactics courses and got invited ten times. I mis-remembered that they had taken the crusher, which was the basis of my confusion and question. So I guess ATC is something you're invited to take, if your field performance is good enough. That certainly explains why Honor didn't take it as an undergrad!

Laz48 wrote:One note: It is mentioned that only a few commanders get to command a destroyer, as Honor did. Back in her time, this was almost always an outdated destroyer.

HMS Tristam is a destroyer, albeit the most modern class. Perhaps due to the exponential growth of the navy, and the fact that Naomi earned her right by trial of fire, she was granted the Tristam, and will do the crusher before her next command.

Since RFC never explained, and the timelines between the crusher hnd her injuries don't reconcile, this could be one alternative.

I always assumed that Naomi did the Crusher during her recovery from her injuries at Monica - after all, it's a primarily cerebral exercise.

Of course, Tristram is a destroyer, so it's also possible that she's slated for the Crusher before her next command.

roseandheather wrote:

Laz48 wrote:One note: It is mentioned that only a few commanders get to command a destroyer, as Honor did. Back in her time, this was almost always an outdated destroyer.

HMS Tristam is a destroyer, albeit the most modern class. Perhaps due to the exponential growth of the navy, and the fact that Naomi earned her right by trial of fire, she was granted the Tristam, and will do the crusher before her next command.

Since RFC never explained, and the timelines between the crusher hnd her injuries don't reconcile, this could be one alternative.

I always assumed that Naomi did the Crusher during her recovery from her injuries at Monica - after all, it's a primarily cerebral exercise.

Of course, Tristram is a destroyer, so it's also possible that she's slated for the Crusher before her next command.

RnH, you made me curious, so I did a little (as little as possible) research.

Naomi was severly injured at the Battle of Monica in February 1921 and evaucated to Manticore for treatment around March 1921 (upon arrival of Admiral O'Malley's forces). We next see her with Aivars offering Helen and Abagail their new jobs (TAC Officer and Flag LT.) upon Therekhov's very brief return to Manticore, just before Tourville and Chin showed up in July 1921.

So I don't see where there would have been the time for her to take the Crusher prior to assuming command of the Tristam.

I figure she'll get it in sometime...