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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by John Prigent   » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:09 am

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Good points, XO!

But I had a good chuckle at your mistype at the beginning: the thought of a fleet manned by Aldermen in robes and chains of office stopped me reading the rest for several minutes.

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Brigade XO wrote:Mesa isn't a member of the SL. An Aldermani fleet showing up- through hyperspace for any portion of the Sl it might need to cross- and "Resolving" it's differences with Mesa over attacks on the line of succession would seriously concern the SL and the SLN but it is NOT attacking the SL.

A major problem for the SL with the Andermani arriving in force at Mesa is what it represents.

1st is the really big statement that this "neobarb" star nation doesn't give a rat's ass about the SLN. They are going after a star nation that has attacke the IAE and since Mesa is NOT a member and is nominally held in comtempt and abhorrence for all the stuff they have been doing, the SL and SLN can keep their nose out of the conflict.
How is the a serious probem for SL? Yet another neobarb nation is flipping it off.

2nd is that anyting that the SLN can move there before the IAN takes the orbitals and forces surrender of the system is going to be unable to actually do anything. Short of sending 100 SLN wallers- which would probably be mincemeat if they were rash enough to open fire on the IAN- it's NOT the SL/SLN's fight.

3rd is the obvious message that SL/SLN is NOT going to be able to keep systems from doing nasty things to one another. They just can't.

If the IA shows up at Mesa, sends a declaration of war as soon as it hits normal space and just goes in…..well, that is "within the rules". They even have an actual reason to do it beyond the cesspool that Mesa is. So the Alighment will turn out not to be there…..once they have the system, the IAE can go through the process to confirm or eliminate the actual involvement. It will be a bit late for the Masa government.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by SharkHunter   » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:17 am

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I have another thought about our illustrious Audrey, bit late to the game but in reading the forum I haven't seen anything like what I am about to propose.

What if -- even if she's kind of a conceited snot who knows that she's better than anyone else because she's an "alpha line" in the Detweiler universe -- she turns out to be another Jack McBryde?

aka late to the game of moral thinking but -- essentially honest enough that when the Evil Overlords tell her to "jump this high and in this evil and amoral direction" she... says something along the lines of ...

"I am disinclined to acquiesce."
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by SWM   » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:10 am

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SharkHunter wrote:I have another thought about our illustrious Audrey, bit late to the game but in reading the forum I haven't seen anything like what I am about to propose.

What if -- even if she's kind of a conceited snot who knows that she's better than anyone else because she's an "alpha line" in the Detweiler universe -- she turns out to be another Jack McBryde?

aka late to the game of moral thinking but -- essentially honest enough that when the Evil Overlords tell her to "jump this high and in this evil and amoral direction" she... says something along the lines of ...

"I am disinclined to acquiesce."

It's certainly possible, and people have wondered about that in the past. But there is no textev to support it. All the textev seems to show she is quite comfortable with the Alignment.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:16 pm

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SWM wrote:
SharkHunter wrote:I have another thought about our illustrious Audrey, bit late to the game but in reading the forum I haven't seen anything like what I am about to propose.

What if -- even if she's kind of a conceited snot who knows that she's better than anyone else because she's an "alpha line" in the Detweiler universe -- she turns out to be another Jack McBryde?

aka late to the game of moral thinking but -- essentially honest enough that when the Evil Overlords tell her to "jump this high and in this evil and amoral direction" she... says something along the lines of ...

"I am disinclined to acquiesce."

It's certainly possible, and people have wondered about that in the past. But there is no textev to support it. All the textev seems to show she is quite comfortable with the Alignment.

True, she has appeared to date to be quite comfortable with the Alignment, but that was before they started detonating multiple nuclear weapons to cover their traces. I had suggested earlier that her having been ordered to stay at a particular hotel was to have her become a victim of the evil Ballroom, but that due to an unforeseen incident, she wasn't present when the bomb went off, and she survived, realized what had happened, and turned into a McBryde. Doesn't seem to have turned out that way - oh well another fine theory shot to flinders.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by JohnRoth   » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:22 pm

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SWM wrote:
SharkHunter wrote:I have another thought about our illustrious Audrey, bit late to the game but in reading the forum I haven't seen anything like what I am about to propose.

What if -- even if she's kind of a conceited snot who knows that she's better than anyone else because she's an "alpha line" in the Detweiler universe -- she turns out to be another Jack McBryde?

aka late to the game of moral thinking but -- essentially honest enough that when the Evil Overlords tell her to "jump this high and in this evil and amoral direction" she... says something along the lines of ...

"I am disinclined to acquiesce."


It's certainly possible, and people have wondered about that in the past. But there is no textev to support it. All the textev seems to show she is quite comfortable with the Alignment.


It's certainly possible, but as I've remarked in the past, idealists are funny people. When they discover something is rotten with the cause to which they've given their allegiance, they might simply grit their teeth and continue, or they might swap allegiances without changing their core ideals.

She's one of three people who know about the Onion that are currently loose as of the end of CoG, the other two being Zack McBryde and Gail Weiss. She's deduced the existence of Houdini although not the name, and she appears to be unperturbed by the body count, unlike Jack McBryde.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by n7axw   » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:11 pm

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One of three people we know about. Houdini was too complex and hurried not to have loose ends that no one can control.

Also, minor nit: as of the end of end of COG, Zach and Gail are still confined to quarters on that slaver. Their Gaul keeper is dead, but they are not free.

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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:11 pm

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n7axw wrote:One of three people we know about. Houdini was too complex and hurried not to have loose ends that no one can control.

Also, minor nit: as of the end of end of COG, Zach and Gail are still confined to quarters on that slaver. Their Gaul keeper is dead, but they are not free.

Don

The problem is that there is no textev that Zach and Gail know where they are to go next. I can't believe that the slaver is going to go directly to their final destination (Darius?), and that the GAUL was the possessor of the itinerary. How that resolves will undoubtedly be handled in the next book or two, and will probably play a major role in foiling the MAlign's plans.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by n7axw   » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:55 pm

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
n7axw wrote:One of three people we know about. Houdini was too complex and hurried not to have loose ends that no one can control.

Also, minor nit: as of the end of end of COG, Zach and Gail are still confined to quarters on that slaver. Their Gaul keeper is dead, but they are not free.

Don

The problem is that there is no textev that Zach and Gail know where they are to go next. I can't believe that the slaver is going to go directly to their final destination (Darius?), and that the GAUL was the possessor of the itinerary. How that resolves will undoubtedly be handled in the next book or two, and will probably play a major role in foiling the MAlign's plans.


I agree with that. My only comment was to note that since they are still on that slaver, they are not yet free as of COG. That, of course, is subject to change. But let's not jump the gun.

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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:07 am

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n7axw wrote:
n7axw wrote:One of three people we know about. Houdini was too complex and hurried not to have loose ends that no one can control.

Also, minor nit: as of the end of end of COG, Zach and Gail are still confined to quarters on that slaver. Their Gaul keeper is dead, but they are not free.

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fallsfromtrees wrote:The problem is that there is no textev that Zach and Gail know where they are to go next. I can't believe that the slaver is going to go directly to their final destination (Darius?), and that the GAUL was the possessor of the itinerary. How that resolves will undoubtedly be handled in the next book or two, and will probably play a major role in foiling the MAlign's plans.


I agree with that. My only comment was to note that since they are still on that slaver, they are not yet free as of COG. That, of course, is subject to change. But let's not jump the gun.

Don

So let's engage in some rampant speculation while we wait for RFC to write the next novel.

When the slaver gets to his next destination, he is going to hand Zach and Gail off to whom? The local Manpower manager? What's he going to do? Zach and Gail stick to their story that their escort went crazy, shot one of his charges for no reason, and they killed him in self defense. They certainly aren't going to tell him "Hi, we're part of a super secret cabal that has been running Mesa for the last 600 years, and we've kind of lost our way." I suspect the manager says, "None of my business, get off of my ship, and get lost." Now Zach and Gail can hope that another ship comes through with an escorted group on it, but the danger there is that the GAUL associated with it might well decide that the safest thing to do is kill them both, and anyone else they might have talked to just to preserve the secret that they may or may not have blabbed. Therefore talking to another GAUL is contraindicated.

I'm not sure what they are going to do at that point. So far, it appears that the two of them are still committed to the goals of the Alignment, but if they are on a station for any period of time, they will probably hear about what happened on Mesa, and they may flip flop - in which case they will be trying to find a way to get to Manticore. Suggestions?
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by n7axw   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:14 am

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My own notion is that the slaver falls afoul of a Torch or BSC patrol who notices that Zach and Gail are being held in custody and begins to ask questions why...

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