HFQ Official Snippet #12

n7axw wrote:I think if I were running the show, I would send Nimue to Charis to pick up Father Paityr, not for access to his truth stone, but so he could share the full story of the Wylsyn family inheritance. Given their past association with that family, that could be very helpful.

Don

fallsfromtrees wrote:
And have we had any textev that Paityr knows his family is directly related to Schueler? dropping that information, and having Paityr show the Schueler video to Aivah and her sidekick could be extraordinarily interesting.

DrakBibliophile wrote:The Wylsynn family had a strong belief that they were descended from Schueler which was supported by the message recorded in the Key.

Now Owl had discovered genetic evidence that they were descended from Schueler (it was mentioned early in LAMA) but there's no text evidence that Archbishop Maikel has informed Father Paityr of the genetic evidence.

fallsfromtrees wrote:
And have we had any textev that Paityr knows his family is directly related to Schueler? dropping that information, and having Paityr show the Schueler video to Aivah and her sidekick could be extraordinarily interesting.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

DrakBibliophile wrote:The Wylsynn family had a strong belief that they were descended from Schueler which was supported by the message recorded in the Key.

Now Owl had discovered genetic evidence that they were descended from Schueler (it was mentioned early in LAMA) but there's no text evidence that Archbishop Maikel has informed Father Paityr of the genetic evidence.

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And have we had any textev that Paityr knows his family is directly related to Schueler? dropping that information, and having Paityr show the Schueler video to Aivah and her sidekick could be extraordinarily interesting.

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I remembered that OWL had found the evidence, what I didn't remember was whether or not Paityr had been told.

McGuiness wrote:*quote="kbus888"*=2014/12/01=
I think the options Merlin is thinking of is that in Nimue's cave he has the option of slapping the ones who do not accept the truth in cryo storage rather than needing to kill them.

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runsforcelery wrote:<SNIP> And how would he deal with what he’d have to do if she responded . . . poorly? The decision to take her and Sandaria to the cave would give him options he hadn’t had far too many other times, yet even so . . . .<SNIP>*quote*

Through this entire snippet I wondered how much Merlin had told Aivah, and why he was taking her to the cave. Now we know that she hasn't been initiated into the inner circle, but she's going to get an in-depth introduction to the Terran Federation and some of the tech that the "Archangels" had available to them.

Once I realized he was taking her to the cave to give her the introduction, it clicked into place that having her there would allow him to put her into cryo sleep if necessary - after all, he's already said that he'd put the head of Charisian weapons research into cryo rather than kill him, since the guy would probably respond to the truth by wanting to scream it from the nearest church steeple.

So clearly taking Aivah and her sidekick directly to the cave serves two purposes. 1) It shows them undeniable evidence that the archangels were frauds and that the CoGA which they created is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on humanity, since those two don't have years of close friendships with members of the inner circle who can explain the Truth to them, and 2) It gives him the option of tossing one or both of them into cryo sleep if they take it badly.

I suspect Aivah will be quite shaken, but even with the foreshadowing of how she feels the church should be, the fact that it's such a force for evil in the world at the moment should help her overcome her lifelong dedication to the idea of a CoGA that functions as she feels it should. If it truly was God's church, how could He allow it to run off the rails so badly? (Plus quite a lot of the Writ isn't actually false.)

Her sidekick may not take it as well, but we may not find out that she has severe reservations until she runs to the Inquisition later. Time to plant a SNARC in her ear so she can be eliminated at need!

I'm looking forward to Aivah's meeting with Nahrmahn as well! Finding out that the entire basis of your society is a fraud is nothing compared to meeting a ghost!

anwi wrote:

McGuiness wrote:So clearly taking Aivah and her sidekick directly to the cave serves two purposes. 1) It shows them undeniable evidence that the archangels were frauds and that the CoGA which they created is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on humanity, since those two don't have years of close friendships with members of the inner circle who they'd believe, and 2) It gives him the option of tossing one or both of them into cryo sleep if they take it badly.

There are two aspects to that problem: Neither Aivah nor Sandariah seem to be really shaken when they are put into an "angelic" techlevel skimmer, although none has been operated for centuries to the best of their knowledge. Descriptions by Kohdy seem to have them prepared, which is interesting in itself.
Moreover, there is no good reason for Merlin to take them to the Cave for their introduction into the truth that we readers know of as of now. But there should be, and it will be quite revealing, I guess. I would fully expect it to be related to Kohdy's diary and those sections the sisterhood does not really understand, which again hints at interesting stuff. (And I still posit that the SSK has a partial understanding of the Spanish sections.)
As to Aivah or Sandariah being put on a freeze: Ain't gonna happen. Indeed, it'd give higher odds to Aivah shutting down Merlin than to him sidelining Aivah.

lyonheart wrote:Hi McGuiness,

I'm curious how you think Nynian is going to take Merlin out, since I'm sure his remotes have already scanned and searched her in ways she be shocked until she understands more federation tech.

Taking Nynian to the cave lets Merlin stop lying to her, something he may consider safer than not [even if he doesn't tell her about the rest of inner circle], while being able to prove all his bona fides, which is rather important to Sandaria as well.

Sandaria could easily be the first cryo guest of the cave, though I think she's made of sterner stuff, since Merlin is going to confirm a lot of what the SSK has believed or suspected for centuries.

Besides the skimmers, explaining how the Rakurai etc operate, ought to help convince her, as will meeting Paityr and Maikel and others besides Nahrmahn and OWL electronically in the cave, and their professions of faith along with Merlin's should also help her understand they still believe in God, which she might have wondered about, possibly having deep doubts, but irrevocably opposed to Clyntahn.

Knowing the CoGA is far more of a complete fraud than you had already increases the unlikelihood of running to Clyntahn or the inquisition she despises even further.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Also we have textev that the Rakurai was used to destroy the original abbey of SSK. This will not dispose them to feel kindly towards the existing church hierarchy.

n7axw wrote:We know that the sisters believed it was the rakurai, but were they in a position to really know?

Graydon wrote:

n7axw wrote:We know that the sisters believed it was the rakurai, but were they in a position to really know?

If there are witnesses, and there seem to have been some sufficiently distant ground level witnesses, there's the distinctive light show of re-entry vehicles.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Peacekeeper-missile-testing.jpg/1280px-Peacekeeper-missile-testing.jpg

Not going to be much else that looks like that.