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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by octavian30   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:12 am

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Just me 2 cents worth but I think the 'continuation' of 1st Corps is nothing of the sort - I think it is some considerable time later in the march and that much else has happened in the meantime.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by Larry   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:16 am

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DDHv wrote:If I just had time to read all of them, I'd be hungry for the book. As it is, even (semi)retired, there isn't enough time. Mostly because the pubic libraries are my primary source - if we bought all the books we read the house would be even fuller than at present :!: :lol: I get it honestly, my parent's home had half the staircase filled with orange crate bookcases. Talk about overstuffed houses: when I visited home, we had to move things off the bed so there would be a place for me to sleep. BJ & I use a wood stove, compost, and throw out trash, and none of DW's books have left yet. Some repairs were needed ;)

BJ's favorite nickname for me is bookworm; glad she is one herself or we wouldn't get along as well, even though our tastes differ.


Well I can't solve the time problem, but I can recommend the fix for the space problem. Get a Nook or A Kindle and store them electronic. I had the same problem. Books piling up on every horizontal (or even close to horizontal) surface. Then I bought my Nook (I'm now on my second one a Nook HD+) and I've never regretted it. The Hard copies were donated to the Book Exchange in Baltimore (http://www.bookthing.org/ A very worthy group, wish they were around when I was younger)and now the clutter has been significantly reduced.

Must say that my Dad would have approved of your Library solution, but I can never be sure the Library will have what I want to read and I have a thing about buying the books I read. I firmly believe writers deserve to get paid as do the publishers. If I enjoy a series then it deserves my cash. Besides what good does money do if it just sits in my pocket. Only way it stimulates the economy is if it keeps moving. Green pieces of paper don't interest me, the toys I can get with them do!

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by octavian30   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:31 am

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Larry wrote:
DDHv wrote:If I just had time to read all of them, I'd be hungry for the book. As it is, even (semi)retired, there isn't enough time. Mostly because the pubic libraries are my primary source - if we bought all the books we read the house would be even fuller than at present :!: :lol: I get it honestly, my parent's home had half the staircase filled with orange crate bookcases. Talk about overstuffed houses: when I visited home, we had to move things off the bed so there would be a place for me to sleep. BJ & I use a wood stove, compost, and throw out trash, and none of DW's books have left yet. Some repairs were needed ;)

BJ's favorite nickname for me is bookworm; glad she is one herself or we wouldn't get along as well, even though our tastes differ.


Well I can't solve the time problem, but I can recommend the fix for the space problem. Get a Nook or A Kindle and store them electronic. I had the same problem. Books piling up on every horizontal (or even close to horizontal) surface. Then I bought my Nook (I'm now on my second one a Nook HD+) and I've never regretted it. The Hard copies were donated to the Book Exchange in Baltimore (http://www.bookthing.org/ A very worthy group, wish they were around when I was younger)and now the clutter has been significantly reduced.

Must say that my Dad would have approved of your Library solution, but I can never be sure the Library will have what I want to read and I have a thing about buying the books I read. I firmly believe writers deserve to get paid as do the publishers. If I enjoy a series then it deserves my cash. Besides what good does money do if it just sits in my pocket. Only way it stimulates the economy is if it keeps moving. Green pieces of paper don't interest me, the toys I can get with them do!

Larry


I presume you have all your book files backed up? I use the Kindle format myself bu I have all my books on Drop Box so they are at once backed up and available to any of my devices anywhere I am.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by Keith_w   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:05 am

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[quote="TN4994Funny, I can read a paper product for several hours. Nook and Kindle = eyestrain. And I've tried the adjustments.[/quote]

I prefer a paper book, there is something about holding it that I totally enjoy. That said, I have a Kobo Touch Ereader which I bought to be used while travelling, and now that I have a surface tablet, I have the Kobo, Kindle and Nook software on that as well and it travels with me instead.

As for libraries, I emptied about 1/2 my book collection out - just the stuff I hadn't re-read in years if at all, and donated it to Value Village, a donation supported re-use store that pays a portion of its proceeds to charities.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by DDHv   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:22 am

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n7axw wrote:
DDHv wrote:If I just had time to read all of them, I'd be hungry for the book. As it is, even (semi)retired, there isn't enough time. Mostly because the pubic libraries are my primary source - if we bought all the books we read the house would be even fuller than at present :!: :lol: I get it honestly, my parent's home had half the staircase filled with orange crate bookcases. Talk about overstuffed houses: when I visited home, we had to move things off the bed so there would be a place for me to sleep. BJ & I use a wood stove, compost, and throw out trash, and only one of DW's books has left yet. Some repairs were needed ;)

BJ's favorite nickname for me is bookworm; glad she is one herself or we wouldn't get along as well, even though our tastes differ.


This is why B&N invented the nook!

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by DDHv   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:37 am

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n7axw wrote:
DDHv wrote:If I just had time to read all of them, I'd be hungry for the book. As it is, even (semi)retired, there isn't enough time. Mostly because the pubic libraries are my primary source - if we bought all the books we read the house would be even fuller than at present :!: :lol: I get it honestly, my parent's home had half the staircase filled with orange crate bookcases. Talk about overstuffed houses: when I visited home, we had to move things off the bed so there would be a place for me to sleep. BJ & I use a wood stove, compost, and throw out trash, and only one of DW's books has left yet. Some repairs were needed ;)

BJ's favorite nickname for me is bookworm; glad she is one herself or we wouldn't get along as well, even though our tastes differ.


This is why B&N invented the nook!

Don

There is also a cost problem. When I do buy new, it is to go to the local public library. The local has four DW books at present. Jamestown, 60 miles north, has a slew of them, and when we make the trip for other reasons, I read a bit further. Could use interlibrary loan, of course, but this is only used for nonfiction. Life is nice, but should be labeled "Some self discipline required."

We will buy new tools, but toys (Including DW books) are usually bought used. We have always found it to be easier to control expenses than to increase income. It lets us spend on more important things. :D

Also:

Support the new car market; buy used :!: ;)

With cars, given three years, there is also the advantage that Consumer Reports and other sources let you find the lemons and not buy them. At present, vehicles are discarded at 250 k miles plus. Using Slick 50 in them increases vehicle life also.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by Randomiser   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:34 pm

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ETathome wrote:I had a thought...

It may be that we are taking this in the wrong direction. Consider the following....

1) The temple is the end goal. It was built around the time of the first holy war. During that war, seijins and demons were running around with federation tech weapons. I would imagine that it is tough enough to withstand such an attack. An army of regular troops with safehold tech would not stand a chance.

2) Both Merlin and Aivah would know this. Merlin from his original training and Aivah from the journals. So they would both know that a group trained with advanced tech may be needed to crack it. We also know that Aivah plans ahead to the extreme.

3) Please remember that much of the tech still inside the temple is still active. The guards used an override code to open the door on the Vicar Wilson. The occupants may think of it as holy and not understand it, but they do know how to use it.

Given those points, the airbuses and going to the cave may actually make sense. This presumes we are looking at the beginning of the end game. It would take time to get the trusted troops, and then train them. Time enough for the conventional war to continue.


Despite Don I have to take issue with your assumptions and some of your conclusions.

1 RFC has stated that high tech weapons as opposed to high tech versions of traditional weapons, like Helm Cleaver, were used very rarely and sparingly by both sides during the WATF. I strongly doubt seijins were running around with them.

2 This either proves nothing or too much. Merlin says he has seen planetary defence bunkers less well protected than the Temple, as regards armour. So if the church can really fort up in it and close the doors, nothing in the cave will come close to cracking it, so the team you envisage would be useless. Fortunately we have no textev they can do so. The Inquisition's wands act as overrides to open doors, for obvious reasons. They have no need of an override to lock doors.

3 All the tech we have seen as being active in the Temple is day to day running stuff. There is no textev to date of any active defense systems. As far as we know the armour is on the outside, there is nothing to say that internal doors won't open with a good old prybar.

I can't see the need of the group you envisage and I even less see Merlin turning a mpile of high tech weapons over to the SSK when he has only knowingly met two of them. He trusts Aivah to some degree, yes, but there are limits to everything.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by n7axw   » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:07 am

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Randomiser wrote:
ETathome wrote:I had a thought...

It may be that we are taking this in the wrong direction. Consider the following....

1) The temple is the end goal. It was built around the time of the first holy war. During that war, seijins and demons were running around with federation tech weapons. I would imagine that it is tough enough to withstand such an attack. An army of regular troops with safehold tech would not stand a chance.

2) Both Merlin and Aivah would know this. Merlin from his original training and Aivah from the journals. So they would both know that a group trained with advanced tech may be needed to crack it. We also know that Aivah plans ahead to the extreme.

3) Please remember that much of the tech still inside the temple is still active. The guards used an override code to open the door on the Vicar Wilson. The occupants may think of it as holy and not understand it, but they do know how to use it.

Given those points, the airbuses and going to the cave may actually make sense. This presumes we are looking at the beginning of the end game. It would take time to get the trusted troops, and then train them. Time enough for the conventional war to continue.


Despite Don I have to take issue with your assumptions and some of your conclusions.

1 RFC has stated that high tech weapons as opposed to high tech versions of traditional weapons, like Helm Cleaver, were used very rarely and sparingly by both sides during the WATF. I strongly doubt seijins were running around with them.

2 This either proves nothing or too much. Merlin says he has seen planetary defence bunkers less well protected than the Temple, as regards armour. So if the church can really fort up in it and close the doors, nothing in the cave will come close to cracking it, so the team you envisage would be useless. Fortunately we have no textev they can do so. The Inquisition's wands act as overrides to open doors, for obvious reasons. They have no need of an override to lock doors.

3 All the tech we have seen as being active in the Temple is day to day running stuff. There is no textev to date of any active defense systems. As far as we know the armour is on the outside, there is nothing to say that internal doors won't open with a good old prybar.

I can't see the need of the group you envisage and I even less see Merlin turning a mpile of high tech weapons over to the SSK when he has only knowingly met two of them. He trusts Aivah to some degree, yes, but there are limits to everything.


Hi Randomizer,

With the exception of one point here, I agree with your post. IIRC from text ev, Merlin could build a weapon to take out the temple, but any such weapon would also wipe out the surrounding city which he couldn't bring himself to do.

Don
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by EdThomas   » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:06 am

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n7axw wrote:I had a thought...

It may be that we are taking this in the wrong direction. Consider the following....
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Despite Don I have to take issue with your assumptions and some of your conclusions.

SNIP
Hi Randomizer,

With the exception of one point here, I agree with your post. IIRC from text ev, Merlin could build a weapon to take out the temple, but any such weapon would also wipe out the surrounding city which he couldn't bring himself to do.

Don
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It might be much simpler than that. We have textev that Nynian has used teams of assassins (sp?). Instead of using troops with Federation weapons against the Temple how's about we start moving these highly trained and disciplined teams to possible action sites, like say, maybe around the corner from Thirsk's daughters' homes, or outside Thirsk's staff headquarters when the Inquisition decides it's time to pick them up. Or put 'em in ICA uniforms and have them raid semaphore stations, or even better, Inquisition training sites. Use your imagination.
The idea might even have come from someone in the Inner Circle as a way of demonstrating their trust in Nynian.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #11
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:43 am

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n7axw wrote:snip

With the exception of one point here, I agree with your post. IIRC from text ev, Merlin could build a weapon to take out the temple, but any such weapon would also wipe out the surrounding city which he couldn't bring himself to do.

Don

Besides that, since we don't know what the OBS will do if it is thrown on its own, and you destroy the only possible way of controlling it (probably in the Temple, but uncertain), it seems a little risky to devise a way to destroy the Temple, since it could compromise your long term mission to get back to space.
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