(SPOILERS) Too worried about waking up Dad?

fallsfromtrees wrote:...it explains the 1000 year wait for the Return, and nothing else I've been able to think of does.

I think I favor the idea of a 1000 year orbit at relativistic speeds to extend the limitations of cold-sleep. That explains the timing and enables a literal "return of the archangels" -- sort of. It does stretch the limits of credulity that old people even by TF standards would chance going back into cold sleep aboard (an AI piloted?) ship for a long trip at relativistic speed.

TN4994 wrote:Did someone already go with Clones in Cryogenic suspension?

General consensus is that cryo is only good for about 40-5 years, not 1000.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

TN4994 wrote:Did someone already go with Clones in Cryogenic suspension?

General consensus is that cryo is only good for about 40-5 years, not 1000.

You are aware of the old SciFi joke about the space colonists arriving at planet X and finding out that the civilization they met with are descendants of space colonists who used technology founded 10 years after the first colonists left. The newer technology got them there in a fourth of the time.

TN4994 wrote:

TN4994 wrote:Did someone already go with Clones in Cryogenic suspension?

fallsfromtrees wrote:General consensus is that cryo is only good for about 40-50 years, not 1000.

You are aware of the old SciFi joke about the space colonists arriving at planet X and finding out that the civilization they met with are descendants of space colonists who used technology founded 10 years after the first colonists left. The newer technology got them there in a fourth of the time.

Yes - David effectively used it in the Honorverse for Manticore. Not sure how it is relevant here though?

fallsfromtrees wrote:In retrospect, upon thinking about it, I believe you are correct. My thinking now is tending more towards the return being someone on the command crew who thought that 750 years to wait was too long, but that at a thousand years (which also has the advantage of being a nice round significant number) is the time for a change in the direction of the Writ and the relaxation of the proscriptions - that is they hid their intentions and set up a scenario in which an oracle from the past, speaking with the authority of Langhorne (might even have used a hologram of Holy Langhorne himself) dictates a new direction for the Church. Granted this is something of a deux ex machina, but it explains the 1000 year wait for the Return, and nothing else I've been able to think of does.

I am inclined to think it is something like this, tied to the blank page in the Writ. Presumably, the 1000 year visit fills in the page. However, given that it is a single page in one book, it is not likely to make major changes to the Writ; but possibly change the interpretation of certain items.

Unless, of course, it says simply "ignore all the other pages in this book."

fallsfromtrees wrote:

TN4994 wrote:You are aware of the old SciFi joke about the space colonists arriving at planet X and finding out that the civilization they met with are descendants of space colonists who used technology founded 10 years after the first colonists left. The newer technology got them there in a fourth of the time.

Yes - David effectively used it in the Honorverse for Manticore. Not sure how it is relevant here though?

Point is that we don't actually know the Cryo tech of the future. Perhaps it's a freeze dried thing?
One question Alexander Pohl had was whether or not the brain function would last the process, or if we would have to be re-schooled in everything.

TN4994 wrote:Did someone already go with Clones in Cryogenic suspension?

I am not sure you need clones in cryogenic suspension. Recall that Federation technology had whole body regeneration. That coupled with the VR recording technology opens a different Pandora's box. The elderly surviving command crew records their own personalities and stores samples of their bodies - possibly only the nuclear and mitochondrial DNA. Storing samples for long durations is much simpler than storing an entire body. A few years short of 1000 years, a whole body regeneration process is started from those samples, and when completed, the personality is downloaded into the new biological body.

The regeneration technology they clearly do have in the medical systems, unlike the PICA technology which was restricted.

There is a rather interesting follow-on to this idea that has been foretold by RFC, but I won't post it here in case that is a direction he really is going to go.

TN4994 wrote:snip
Point is that we don't actually know the Cryo tech of the future. Perhaps it's a freeze dried thing?
One question Alexander Pohl had was whether or not the brain function would last the process, or if we would have to be re-schooled in everything.

I believe that the 40-50 years for cryo was from textev in the stories, so that pretty much gives us an upper limit for the TF level of technology. I do remember that Merlin didn't think that any of the medical supplies left in the cave would be good after so long.