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Randomiser wrote:AFAIK Yes

A quick search of MTaT shows that the bicycle is mentioned in Chapter XVIII in April, Year of God 896.

Bicycles are good, but better would be to create mechanized or motorised infantry, they're much faster can carry much more ammo and weapon, also much faster. We have everything to create car at the moment, extensive oil fields in Charis, which are only waiting to be used. Steel production, steam engine, between steam and diesel, there isn't a lot of differences. Car would be nice, but better would be APC. Because we could create something similar to BTR or BWP or Bradley and Merlin could it easily upgrade.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Randomiser wrote:AFAIK Yes

A quick search of MTaT shows that the bicycle is mentioned in Chapter XVIII in April, Year of God 896.

Oh bicycles, yes, but I assumed 'it' in Ensign's last paragraph referred to bicycle mounted Infantry as per the 4 Links to bicycle troops immediately before it, and those we have no suggestion of.

Randomiser wrote:

Randomiser wrote:AFAIK Yes

fallsfromtrees wrote:A quick search of MTaT shows that the bicycle is mentioned in Chapter XVIII in April, Year of God 896.

Oh bicycles, yes, but I assumed 'it' in Ensign's last paragraph referred to bicycle mounted Infantry as per the 4 Links to bicycle troops immediately before it, and those we have no suggestion of.

Its a little surprising, but you are correct AFAIK, there has been no mention of bicycles being used for moving supplies or people in the military. Surprising because the mention in MTaT goes into the manifold advantages of the bicycle.

Randomiser wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:== CLIP ==

Oh bicycles, yes, but I assumed 'it' in Ensign's last paragraph referred to bicycle mounted Infantry as per the 4 Links to bicycle troops immediately before it, and those we have no suggestion of.

Its a little surprising, but you are correct AFAIK, there has been no mention of bicycles being used for moving supplies or people in the military. Surprising because the mention in MTaT goes into the manifold advantages of the bicycle.

The "it" was supposed to be open ended, all encompassing.

I did remember the Hauseman (sp?) reference, but I was hoping for something more... something along the lines of some POV character thinking about how the Church forces don't understand just how mobile Charis' forces are. I was hoping there was a reference there to bicycles, but I had long ago forgotten the point in the book, so I could not go back to check on it.

Oh well.

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Draken wrote:Bicycles are good, but better would be to create mechanized or motorised infantry, they're much faster can carry much more ammo and weapon, also much faster. We have everything to create car at the moment, extensive oil fields in Charis, which are only waiting to be used. Steel production, steam engine, between steam and diesel, there isn't a lot of differences. Car would be nice, but better would be APC. Because we could create something similar to BTR or BWP or Bradley and Merlin could it easily upgrade.

Unless they are all stream powered, it's not happening. It requires electricity to run a gasoline and diesel engine. And atm, -any- electricity is forbidden because Merlin and the inner circle have no idea what the detection threshold of the OBS is, so they aren't using any weapon systems or machines that require electricity to operate.
You also have to realize that it's only now that Charis is able to make large quantities of modern steals (some of them), but they have yet to be able to make cannon-artillery like we have or was used even in WWI. They are still working on explosives for the shells, propellant to fire the shells, recoil systems, carriages that can move the things, and ships that can haul them from Charis to the land the battlefield is in. As of right now, even if they had been able to make a steam powered APC or a tank, there isn't a ship on Safehold that could carry it. Until Charis is able to make steel hulled, steam powered merchant vessels, any APCs/IFV and/or tanks are nothing but a dream.

Vehicles like those (and the ships) will be in the next story arc after this one ends. Probably something in the 20 year time gap that is planned before the next arc continues.

Zakharra wrote: It requires electricity to run a gasoline and diesel engine.

Actually, it doesn't require electricity to run a diesel. The gasoline engine requires a spark for ignition, the diesel gets ignition from the compression of the fuel mixture in the cylinder. The fuel pump can be run off of a fan belt (as is usually done in vehicles today). Starting the engine may be a problem, but a small steam engine might to used to do the trick.

The real problem is there is no way you are going to convince the common soldier that the diesel engine is not a violation of the proscriptions, and that could lead to internal trouble for the EoC.

AirTech wrote:

Philip Stanley wrote:Since this is morphing into a "why doesn't Charis introduce this technology?" topic, I'll toss in this question:
Why don't they introduce the slide rule? It is a powerful tool for performing calculations involving multiplication and division and trigonometric and other higher functions. The device was invented in the 17th century, and came into common use in the 19th century.

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Having been taught how to use them in high school (and in anger as a pilot (the old E-6B)) I would be surprised if ships navigators are not using something similar (if not, they are simple enough to make given a set to drawings).

At first (and third), I thought you were talking about the circular slide rule. i.e.: "The E6B flight computer, or simply the "whiz wheel", is a form of circular slide rule used in aviation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E6B

Then, I started to wonder if you were talking about "the Boeing E-6 Mercury (formerly E-6 Hermes), an airborne command post and communications relay based on the Boeing 707-320."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-6_Mercury

But now I'm sure you meant the "flight computer" slide rule after all.

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It seems to me that something like the E6B would be of use to the Navigators in the Charis SEA BASED Navy, and not only to the (real world) Airborne use we have today and in the recent past.

OK, maybe some features would have to be designed OUT of the end product, but I still think it has potential.


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fallsfromtrees wrote,
"Actually, it doesn't require electricity to run a diesel. The gasoline engine requires a spark for ignition, the diesel gets ignition from the compression of the fuel mixture in the cylinder. The fuel pump can be run off of a fan belt (as is usually done in vehicles today). Starting the engine may be a problem, but a small steam engine might to used to do the trick.

The real problem is there is no way you are going to convince the common soldier that the diesel engine is not a violation of the proscriptions, and that could lead to internal trouble for the EoC."



Air motors can also be used to start diesels, you can run a pump off of the fanbelt to a holding tank. A hand pump could be included for emergencies. When the COG forces start digging in for trench warfare tanks will be needed to break the stalemate. Troops will be happy to go into combat behind a tank.

6L6 wrote:fallsfromtrees wrote,
"Actually, it doesn't require electricity to run a diesel. The gasoline engine requires a spark for ignition, the diesel gets ignition from the compression of the fuel mixture in the cylinder. The fuel pump can be run off of a fan belt (as is usually done in vehicles today). Starting the engine may be a problem, but a small steam engine might to used to do the trick.

The real problem is there is no way you are going to convince the common soldier that the diesel engine is not a violation of the proscriptions, and that could lead to internal trouble for the EoC."



Air motors can also be used to start diesels, you can run a pump off of the fanbelt to a holding tank. A hand pump could be included for emergencies. When the COG forces start digging in for trench warfare tanks will be needed to break the stalemate. Troops will be happy to go into combat behind a tank.

Yes, we know that diesel engines can be run without electricity. The problem, as noted above, is that the general population is almost certainly going to feel that this crosses the line and violates the Proscriptions. As soon as Charis does something which even its own people feel is a violation of Proscriptions, Charis loses the war.