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Hi FallsFromTrees,

Hutch is right about the math, and the number of systems being between 100-201, and while there might have been abstentions etc, the popularity of the measure to end the war will hurt such weaselly mumbling nay-Sayers in the next election.

RFC once mentioned the peeps had some 270 star systems, and Eloise let half leave, with disputed systems having a referendum, so it might get close to 150.

Which might mean the senate is distributed according to population not system, as Charles Pickney proposed in the US constitutional convention in 1787, the largest states getting three senators [his term], the average two, and the least only one.

They might be chosen according to the most votes rather than by party, so the widest range of opinion is actually represented.

L


[quote="fallsfromtrees"][quote="Hutch"]*quote="DarkEnigma"*How many systems have freely chosen to break off from Haven and what is Haven's current size compared to Manticore?*quote*

Something like this came up over in the "Favorite Phrases" thread between Hanuman and roseand heathers


*quote*Well, it turns out I was wrong about the treaty’s prospects,” Pritchart went on now. “According to Leslie’s dispatch, she never got a chance to pound it anywhere. The Senate jumped all over it. It was approved with a fifty-six-vote margin over and above the two thirds majority requirement. There were only eleven dissenting votes!”

The president’s face blossomed in a huge smile, and Elizabeth felt herself smiling back.*quote*
- A Rising Thunder

Hanuman quote--*quote*Wait, can someone who can actually do some math PLEASE do the calculation? How many members does that give the Havenite Senate? *quote*

by roseandheather » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:40 pm

[quote]2/3x + 56 = x - 11

2/3x + 67 = x

1/3x = 67

x = 201

201, if my math is correct. *quote*

And the math works, so we know the Havenite Senate has 201 members.

So..does that mean it has 201 systems, or 100 systems with two senators each (and one presiding officer), or some other division of numbers (or maybe a few senators chose not to vote, or were sick, or were back on their home planets).

So IMHO, it's between 100-201 systems.

Or not.
This actually assumes that there were no abstentions, and that every senator voted, which may or may not be valid.*quote**quote**quote*

Hi FallsFromTrees,

I believe it was HAE, not IEH, so she had a couple years to recover, and quick heal is much faster than that.

L

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Vince wrote:*quote="cthia"*Is there another naval officer other than Honor that doesn't regenerate?*quote*[quote="roseandheather"]Textev says about 30% of the Manticoran population don't regen, so presumably there's at least one other officer in the RMN who doesn't. If you're asking whether or not we've met one, however, the answer is 'not that I can remember'.

Amaroq wrote:True, we don't hear about anyone else who can't. There have been two major-ish characters that we know can and were injured badly enough during the course of the series to make use of it: Sarnow and Terekhov.

Also, Admiral Caparelli, before he was an admiral. Honor's father was his physician at that time and was able to reduce the amount of regeneration he had to undergo.

Susan Hibson lost a leg in IEH, and has had it regenerated sufficiently to be walking at Honor's funeral.[/quote]

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Amaroq wrote:I might be wandering into areas that might be uncomfortable for some but I hope it won't be too bad. I always had some question about prolong and reproduction. Specifically, how it affects female reproductive biology. Being a woman myself I wondered how prolong deals with the subjects of menstruation, fertility, menopause, etc...

It mainly came into focus with Honor's unexpected pregnancy and how she couldn't have known that her implant expired. I understand about not thinking to check medical records and paperwork but if the implant altered certain aspects of female reproductive biology than the reversion back to a "normal" state after it expired would probably have been recognizable (after all, a period is not exactly something you don't notice having). Considering that women don't continually produce eggs the way men produce sperm it would be interesting to figure out how prolong extends (or doesn't as the case may be) a woman's fertile years into the 100s (as evidenced by Allison's successful pregnancy).

I hope I haven't squicked too many people out.

There was a long chain on this, but I didn't see answered the actual question. Given that I am male, my understanding of this issue my be incomplete. A woman's period is her body flushing out the material that would have become the placenta if the egg released was actually fertilized. If there is no placenta, the egg might get fertilized, but will then die, because there is no placenta to implant in, ergo Honor doesn't get pregnant. If the nanites are consuming the placenta as it is forming, same situation. I suppose the one situation was mentioned, Honor got pregnant the first time she ovulated after the implant ran out, and the nanites ran down at the same time, but seems a little forced except as a plot device.

You're actually pretty well grounded in female biology for a dude, but there's one flaw in your logic - the nanites can't consume the placenta as it's forming, because that would be highly inconvenient should the woman in question actually be trying for a baby.

I suspect the nanites break down the matter in question after menstruation has already begun, and reabsorb the components back into the body in some way. The contraceptive implant is a different beast entirely, which presumably works the way the current ones do; by releasing progesterone, which prevents ovulation altogether. (Note that this won't eliminate the menstrual lining, just make it thinner.) It would therefore be quite easy for Honor not to notice; as she's used to having a period anyway, and used to having the nanites deal with it, she wouldn't notice if she was ovulating, and voila! We have our little Surprise Alexander-Harrington.

roseandheather wrote:You're actually pretty well grounded in female biology for a dude, but there's one flaw in your logic - the nanites can't consume the placenta as it's forming, because that would be highly inconvenient should the woman in question actually be trying for a baby.

I suspect the nanites break down the matter in question after menstruation has already begun, and reabsorb the components back into the body in some way. The contraceptive implant is a different beast entirely, which presumably works the way the current ones do; by releasing progesterone, which prevents ovulation altogether. (Note that this won't eliminate the menstrual lining, just make it thinner.) It would therefore be quite easy for Honor not to notice; as she's used to having a period anyway, and used to having the nanites deal with it, she wouldn't notice if she was ovulating, and voila! We have our little Surprise Alexander-Harrington.

I'm a dud...er...dude, also, but one who has been living with sisters and/or mate for a very long time.

There is a further consideration that highly trained female athletes often have skips without noticeable menses of one to a few months, especially coming off hormonal based contraception. (wife checked and validated.)

dreamrider

dreamrider wrote:There is a further consideration that highly trained female athletes often have skips without noticeable menses of one to a few months, especially coming off hormonal based contraception. (wife checked and validated.)

dreamrider

One of the major reasons for the lack on menses in women athletes is that their body fat levels are so low. A pregnant woman requires a certain amount of body fat, as hormones will break down some of the fat in order to keep the blood sugar levels fairly constant, which is good for the fetus.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

dreamrider wrote:There is a further consideration that highly trained female athletes often have skips without noticeable menses of one to a few months, especially coming off hormonal based contraception. (wife checked and validated.)

dreamrider

One of the major reasons for the lack on menses in women athletes is that their body fat levels are so low. A pregnant woman requires a certain amount of body fat, as hormones will break down some of the fat in order to keep the blood sugar levels fairly constant, which is good for the fetus.

I had a soldier under my command, an accomplished athlete in high school, and a dedicated gym rat in service, who was so used to minimal/no menses that she did not realize that she had become pregnant in the week prior to induction. It came to light when we referred her to the division Med Bn for assistance with weight control issues, since we knew she was eating right and training hard. That was 1 week before delivery. It happens - for realsies.

dreamrider

fallsfromtrees wrote:

NortonIDaughter wrote:Wait, so what happens if you try to assign a 'cat to someone, and none of the 'cats want them? (Tullingham is an important member of the Republic's government, for example...)

I suspect that Tullingham will decline to have one of those "damn furry mind suckers" around him. He doesn't need a companion who will sign "he's lying" when he tries to sneak something past someone.

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That's one less needed for assignment. (and possibly one more who can become "No longer a threat" -- did I just say that ?)

-- Stewart

[quote="lyonheart"]Hi FallsFromTrees,

I believe it was HAE, not IEH, so she had a couple years to recover, and quick heal is much faster than that.

L


[quote="fallsfromtrees"][quote="Vince"]*quote="cthia"*Is there another naval officer other than Honor that doesn't regenerate?*quote*[quote="roseandheather"]Textev says about 30% of the Manticoran population don't regen, so presumably there's at least one other officer in the RMN who doesn't.

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The medically retired Marine Major in "Hard Way Home" in the anthologies was also a non-regener. Most were from Sphinx, which had a high percentage of Genies as early immigrants. There is a hint of cause / effect that some of the Genie strains could not accept regen. It is not an absolute but appears to be a recessive trait. Honor cannot regen, but Allison checked and Raul can.

-- Stewart

stewart wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:I suspect that Tullingham will decline to have one of those "damn furry mind suckers" around him. He doesn't need a companion who will sign "he's lying" when he tries to sneak something past someone.

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That's one less needed for assignment. (and possibly one more who can become "No longer a threat" -- did I just say that ?)

-- Stewart

Well, I expect that person just can't come to any of the REALLY IMPORTANT meetings any more, and gets speculated about in the press A LOT. It will be tough, but Elouise and Tom will just have to endure it.

dreamrider

A question for anyone who has ever been in the armed forces. When singing ...

"For he's a jolly good fellow. For he's ..."

What is it for a woman? "For she's a jolly good," (person or lassie)?