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Driving in snow
Post by Lord Skimper   » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:21 pm

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I realise many of you are snowed in and here are some points on how to drive in snow.

1. Tires. There are 3 main types and some sub types of tires.

A) Summer made for dry or wet and warm above 7C/45F.
B) All season, made for dry wet and a little bit of snow also called no season.
C) Winter or snow tires. Made for cold weather and snow ice driving.

D) All Weather made for snow ice in places it doesn't get too cold nor too warm for dry and wet driving. Like All Season but better, not made for cold temperatures below -10C/14F.

E) Performance Snow made for better dry weather traction and driving with performance orientations in mind. works when cold and is okay when warm but not made for hot weather. Better in winter than All Weather not as good in summer.

F) Snow Ice tires made for any temperature below 7C/45F with excellent snow and ice capabilities.

G) (what I use) Studded Snow tires. Made for Ice and Snow when cold. Work on dry and wet roads usually with a small percentage in performance reduction. The only tires that work on glare or black ice or snow covered icy roads. Modern Studded tires do not have old school studded tire problems.

2. Speed. Basically cut the speed limit in half. It is posted 25 go 12-15. It is posted 50 go 25-30. It is posted 70 go 35-40.

Don't go below 12-15. You will likely get stuck, except at intersections or in traffic. Going down hills also should be started at a crawl. Don't try and stop half way down, once you start you are going all the way down.

Up hill should be done at a run, most hills 30-40 mph. without summer tires you should get up.

3. Brakes. Unless you have antilock ABS brakes, don't lock your brakes or ride your brakes. If you don't have ABS you can't steer while turning. This is amplified if you have Front wheel drive.

When driving on ice, without ABS and sometimes with ABS and you are trying to turn, do not put the brakes on. Without ABS if you have to brake pump the brake pedal to slow down and steer away from what you are about to hit. ABS does this brake pumping for you.

Do not stare at what you are about to hit look where you want to go.

4. 4x4 AWD FWD and RWD.

A) 4X4 and AWD helps one get going in snow and on ice. it does not help you stop and typically can't help in a turn. Full time 4WD and AWD can be turned when applying power while Part time 4WD (usually with a locking differential) cant turn well while accelerating. Particularly on dry roads. slippery roads not as bad but not good either. Kind of like FWD and brakes on turning.

B) FWD (Front wheel drive) is a bit different, it is good to apply power to the wheels in ice and snow and turn where you want to go. You can power out of mistakes typically and power through deeper snow. Braking with FWD and turning does not work, if you need to make a corner, power through or take your foot off the accelerator.

C) RWD (Rear wheel Drive) gets a bad wrap on snow and ice but if you drive properly it isn't bad, particularly with the correct tires. I have RWD. I have had AWD and FWD in the past. RWD is slow to start in snow and on ice and will often slip to a low road side. One then turns their wheels and this can be a deficit to driving up a hill or along a road. Once going, a car should with rwd not brake into turns wet dry or snowy/icy. Nor should it power out of a corner, unless you wish to swing the back end around. RWD can turn around in very little room on an icy road. On Icy roads RWD should coast with minimal braking and turning of the wheel. straight and steady and slow.

5. If you are going too fast down a hill you can do three things.

A) Steer for the open spaces, while keeping the vehicle straight and aim for any snowy patches before you start to brake to slow down.

B) Hit the guard rail or curb or ditch, it will mess up your car, but it is better than running someone over or driving off a cliff.

C) The most risky and only should be a last resort, my Father did this once in his 55 Chevy, turn the wheel hard and do a 360 spin once or twice. It works if there are no guard rails or if you are on an icy hill with a turn. Dad did this to keep from going over a cliff on a hill with a turn half way down. He was going slow but it was black ice at the top and he couldn't slow down enough. 2 360's and he lined up with the road / turn and let go of the brakes and drove down the hill. His passenger left finger marks all along his dash board.

Lastly look ahead, one block or so. I remember watching friends driving to school one day at the end of lunch. The first car went past the school and I wondered where they were going. The second pasted the entrance and I figure he was going where the others where. The third also was going there too. I braked to make the turn, hit the black ice and slid past the entrance as well, as did the car behind me. We had a braking sliding stop avoiding each other and eventually all got turned around and headed back to school, much much slower.

Pay attention, slow down and keep your foot off the brakes when turning if you don't have ABS brakes. If possible change to winter tires in winter. Or All weather.
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Re: Driving in snow
Post by Lord Skimper   » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:35 pm

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Suppose I should add don't spin your tires, accelerate slowly and steady, if your wheels spin back off the go pedal and and re adjust. This usually means you have bad tires or tires not good for the conditions. Spinning your tires can be fun but when they catch you can end up crashing. I almost hit a house when spinning my tires I hit 100 mph while going about 20. Then they caught and I almost hit a house. Suffice to say I carefully drove off the guys front lawn and haven't done that since.

Starting in second or third gear will let you start on slippery sections. With automatics this is often made to be outside the power band.
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Re: Driving in snow
Post by Lord Skimper   » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:58 pm

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Extra things to care in a car in the winter.

Survival kit. Typically a blanket or two. Candle 50 hour or so, with matches. Water although typically this isn't so important as snow usually is around. Jumper cables.

Pad of paper and a pen or pencil.

Chocolate bars or similar things. Bag of chips things you can eat for energy that can sit in a cold car. A Water bottle should be opened and drink or pour out some of the water, this prevents the bottle breaking when it freezes. Shovel, spare lug nuts and good spare tire, check your jack and make sure you can change your tires if need be. Spare shoes or boots and a jacket. glove hats etc...

Survival kit and fire extinguisher.

I carry a section of carpet or a 4'x4' heavy mat that I can lay on the snow if I need to change a tire. IKEA sells these cheap. $10 or less. get one with a rigid backing. One can use a floor mat if need be. Take pain medication with you and any emergency medications you might need. Toilet paper is also handy. Sand in a bag or container is good Kitty Litter also works well. If you don't have a block heater, a 12 accessory socket with a battery charger conditioner is also a good idea. Keep it in doors with you over night.

Also make sure you have a snow brush and ice scraper. Use windshield washer antifreeze fluid. Either diluted if it doesn't get too cold or straight if it does. Also use winter oil. winter gas etc....

a garbage bag is also handy to have a change of clothes if you are going into the bush is also important as is a towel.

If you have a truck firewood can help too. Rope or a tow line can be good too. Even Saran wrap or something similar. Duct tape etc...

One can also use a deicer solution to spray iced windows. Speciality products exist but windshield antifreeze also works in a spray bottle.

An extra $20 bill hidden in your car will pay for the parking lot when you lose your wallet or spend your money in a store.
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Re: Driving in snow
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:11 pm

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Lord Skimper wrote:I realise many of you are snowed in and here are some points on how to drive in snow.


I find the easiest way to deal with the snow is to live in Arizona. I never have to shovel sunshine.
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Re: Driving in snow
Post by DDHv   » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:07 pm

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Lord Skimper wrote:I realise many of you are snowed in and here are some points on how to drive in snow.

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Pay attention, slow down and keep your foot off the brakes when turning if you don't have ABS brakes. If possible change to winter tires in winter. Or All weather.


Listen to the man :!: Especially on the slowing down bit: two years back we hit a drifting snow patch in an unpredicted short snow storm, then the ditch; skidded upside down, trashed the pickup and broke BJs arm. The road was closed for some hours shortly after we got onto it, there were at least two other accidents on that 40 mile stretch we know about in that three hour blizzard. We should have holed up in a motel for the night instead of trying to get home.

Another: If you possibly can, don't drive in snow at all. With a pantry, and a non-electrical heat source, staying home is often the best option. Sometimes holing up is best.

Those mylar space (reflective) blankets take up almost no room, and can save lives. A bag of snacks can help control hunger. A cell phone provides contact - we called 911 - the weather was so bad it took the ambulance about an hour to reach us at 10 miles from town.

DON'T EVER ABANDON THE VEHICLE IN BAD WEATHER - the wind shelter can be important. Wait until someone gets there and you have alternate shelter.
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Re: Driving in snow
Post by Fireflair   » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:42 pm

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For those who have lived in cold or hot weather... Enjoy!

http://www.homebuilt.org/cmdrdata/jokes/04/0171.html
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Re: Driving in snow
Post by Northstar   » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:27 am

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Lord Skimper wrote:I realize many of you are snowed in and here are some points on how to drive in snow.



Long long ago, when my father was teaching me to drive, he told me when on ice and snow pretend the car is now a boat. Handle accordingly.

This has served me well. :D
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Re: Driving in snow
Post by Northstar   » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:40 am

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Fireflair wrote:For those who have lived in cold or hot weather... Enjoy!

http://www.homebuilt.org/cmdrdata/jokes/04/0171.html


This was fun but what a weenie. :lol:

We've lived in Illinois and then Wisconsin since 1979. Our driveway is 122 feet long. Either I or my husband shovels it by hand, no snow blower. I did this just yesterday. I'm 64.

He forgot to mention the mosquitoes with 'Lockheed' printed on their wings. :D :P

In deep winter, it looks like Dr Zhivago lives in our house. :D

Absolutely beautiful. :)

But, yes, quite cold. And in summer... it can be very hot and very muggy. Did I mention the mosquitoes? :lol:
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Re: Driving in snow
Post by cthia   » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:49 pm

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Do observe proper tire pressure for winter driving, it is very important. However, do remember not to drive on balloons in winter weather. You are asking for it. Maintain adequate tread.

Water purification tablets in the car and thermal blankets in the trunk all winter long is a must. Also, waterproof boots, extra thick thermal socks and a change of winter clothes is smart. Pocket warmer sticks in the trunk will go a long way to prevent frostbite. Face covering apparel, wind breakers and scarves are a must. During winter driving, I use my Hummer. I have pulled too many stuck cars out of situations to remember. I keep it stocked. Wench front and rear.

Half-split firewood are excellent for gaining traction under rear wheels of a stuck car. They lay flat on the cut side and the gnarly top side provides good traction. Carry a few in trunk.

Snow for water:
http://www.holyadventure.com/purify-water-melted-snow

http://sectionhiker.com/water-purification-in-winter/

Hand powered flashlights should be used at home and car.

Stock up your home. Be safe for the winter.

Also consider that although four-wheelers, snow tires, and chains are wonderful tools to employ, they do not give your vehicle super powers or improve your driving skills.

Allow exta travel time for safe, unrushed transit. Stay alert while driving. Try to stay moving. If you pull off the road, be aware that snow on side of road is deep and provides less traction and has accumulated dirt, grease, grime and nails. Getting back on the road, especially on backroads, from the side of the road may result in a spin and a ditch.

One very important thing to remember. If you exit your car in a heavy snow or sleet, remember that vehicles behind you have limited visibility. DO NOT STAND IN THE ROAD, if you can avoid it! Standing in front of your car isn't safe either. Rear ended cars are easily moved on ice. Avoid back roads if you can, especially at night or you could end up waiting longer for help than you anticipate.

Flares, emergency lights, are cheap and a good idea, and the dividends can be priceless. Orange reflective vests can save lives.

If changing a tire in the snow, you must look out for traffic.

Use your emergency blinkers. That's what they're there for!
Do not move your car until windows are properly scraped, defrosted, and engine temperature at nominal to properly run the defroster. Properly adjusted mirrors become extra important in the winter.

Almost forgot. You will do well to try an anti-window fogger. Rain-X is terrific!
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Typos, punctuation and this ...

One common, yet huge mistake in long distance, snow and winter, travel is dialing the heat up too much. No one wants to drive a car that's cold and uncomfortable, but too high a heat can lull the driver and occupants to sleep. Jerking the wheel on ice after you awaken from a catnap can kill. A cat has nine lives, let it nap. You do all you can to stay awake. Stay in a hotel if possible. Saving a few dollars yet losing a life isn't a good trade-off.

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Re: Driving in snow
Post by Caliban   » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:25 pm

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And there is on more highly significant factor: please be sure the loose nut behind the wheel is securely fastened.

It never ceases to amaze me how many folks seem to forget how to drive on the dreaded white stuff ( or even the liquid stuff!) between seasons.

I live in western Wisconsin, and the first snowfall around here means 'stay the **** off the roads.'
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