The Information Age

World's 10 Most Incredible Discoveries
http://youtu.be/5-S2H4ayJiU

Earth's 10 Most Mysterious Lost Worlds
http://youtu.be/-HhXOz0EsP0

The Worlds 10 Strangest Unknown Creatures
http://youtu.be/J0z_gkQcpIQ

A radioactuve spider?
Uh oh, Spider Man may live at last! If someone named Peter Parker could just get bitten.

Space's 10 Most Stunning Wonders
http://youtu.be/IaZaGsRbbn8

The information age allows us to access more opinions.

Only digging back to the evidence shows whether the opinions match reality. This is in some ways like drilling for oil: They need to go through many strata of rock to find out whether the oil is really there. We need to go through many strata of theories and hypothesis to find out whether the facts are there.

Just as it is not possible to drill at random and get a good return of oil, it is not possible to test everything back to the evidence. The best pattern seems to be figure out which are the critical assumptions, and check them out. It is still impossible to test everything because of our limits in ability and resources but it helps

Anyone remember Christopher Anvil's story involving one of his Interstellar Patrol people coming up against a telepath who could dig below the surface thoughts and see the thought patterns? Anvil had the telepath lose because he thought he was omniscient when he was only omni-opinionent.

It ain't the things we don't know that damage us, it is the things we know that ain't so


Sometimes deliberately, per this victim of identity fraud:

Tell it to U.S. Air Force veteran Marcos Miranda, whose name and Social Security card were filched by an illegal alien to work at a pork slaughterhouse. He was even thrown in jail for unpaid traffic tickets racked up by his identity thief.
"Even though I am Hispanic, I am against illegal immigration," Miranda told the Associated Press.

Every illegal alien who is supported by a politico is an insult to those who took the trouble to come in legally. When crooks aren't prosecuted, the honest people pay.

cthia wrote:The space probe weighs about 250lbs and was ejected from spacecraft Rosetta about seven hours ago, falling at a slow speed due to the gentle gravitational pull of the 2.5-mile-long comet. At one point during the first-of-its-kind mission, one of the thrusters on Philae wasn’t working properly and was feared to be an obstacle in a successful landing.

But, all’s well that ends well.

Rosetta took ten years to reach 67P. *It had to orbit the earth three times to build up enough momentum and speed to catch up, and then go into a hibernation mode to conserve power, until finally reaching the comet and ejecting probe Philae.

The ESA has confirmed that they are receiving signals from Philae, and that harpoons used to land and anchor the probe have been successfully fired and reeled in Philae.

Update: It’s unclear what happened with the harpoons. Philae definitely landed, but the ESA tweeted that the harpoons fired and reeled properly and Philae tweeted that they did not. Mysterious.

This mission and its success is significant because comets are hunks of planet that are hurling through space, and likely contain information about complex molecules that may contain the building blocks for life.

Philae’s lead scientist Jean-Pierre Bibring told The Verge that “comets have the beauty of having preserved the ingredients with which the solar system formed,” and that 67P’s ice may contain the building blocks for life.

Now that it has landed, Philae will conduct experiments for approximately 60-hours at full power before its battery is depleted. Solar panels will recharge the probe, as long as it hasn’t landed in a shadow.

You can follow along as the story develops here and we’ll be updating you as we learn more.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/12/the-ro ... comet-67p/

Also, look at this sick photo taken on Philae’s way down to the comet:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/12/the-ro ... comet-67p/

After doing some serious speeding (> 135,000km/h) to catch up, the little probe has to slow to a 1m/s (3ft/s) crawl to a stoplight (landing).

Talk about a serious speed trap in space to make any officer proud huh?

*All of this technology comes down to a simple toy that I coveted as a kid ... Is that a slingshot or what?

Rosetta took off from Earth 10 years ago, aboard an Ariane 5 rocket, and traveled a total of 6.4 billion miles before rendezvousing with the comet in August.

Can we say ... ridonculous roadtrip?!

And as great as all of this was it wasn't all that great. What it should have done was pick a Comet that wasn't going in system but rather one going out of system. Spend all your fuel to land on a fast leaving comet and Gather broadcast anything interesting that is detected, if anything at all, from outside the system we call Sol. A small Nuclear power pack and a radio transmitter and see what is outside our region of space.

So far we know we can play space golf, we just can't get a birdie yet.

Lord Skimper wrote:

cthia wrote:
The space probe weighs about 250lbs and was ejected from spacecraft Rosetta about seven hours ago, falling at a slow speed due to the gentle gravitational pull of the 2.5-mile-long comet. At one point during the first-of-its-kind mission, one of the thrusters on Philae wasn’t working properly and was feared to be an obstacle in a successful landing.

But, all’s well that ends well.

Rosetta took ten years to reach 67P. *It had to orbit the earth three times to build up enough momentum and speed to catch up, and then go into a hibernation mode to conserve power, until finally reaching the comet and ejecting probe Philae.

The ESA has confirmed that they are receiving signals from Philae, and that harpoons used to land and anchor the probe have been successfully fired and reeled in Philae.

Update: It’s unclear what happened with the harpoons. Philae definitely landed, but the ESA tweeted that the harpoons fired and reeled properly and Philae tweeted that they did not. Mysterious.

This mission and its success is significant because comets are hunks of planet that are hurling through space, and likely contain information about complex molecules that may contain the building blocks for life.

Philae’s lead scientist Jean-Pierre Bibring told The Verge that “comets have the beauty of having preserved the ingredients with which the solar system formed,” and that 67P’s ice may contain the building blocks for life.

Now that it has landed, Philae will conduct experiments for approximately 60-hours at full power before its battery is depleted. Solar panels will recharge the probe, as long as it hasn’t landed in a shadow.

You can follow along as the story develops here and we’ll be updating you as we learn more.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/12/the-ro ... comet-67p/

Also, look at this sick photo taken on Philae’s way down to the comet:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/12/the-ro ... comet-67p/

After doing some serious speeding (> 135,000km/h) to catch up, the little probe has to slow to a 1m/s (3ft/s) crawl to a stoplight (landing).

Talk about a serious speed trap in space to make any officer proud huh?

*All of this technology comes down to a simple toy that I coveted as a kid ... Is that a slingshot or what?

Rosetta took off from Earth 10 years ago, aboard an Ariane 5 rocket, and traveled a total of 6.4 billion miles before rendezvousing with the comet in August.

Can we say ... ridonculous roadtrip?!

And as great as all of this was it wasn't all that great. What it should have done was pick a Comet that wasn't going in system but rather one going out of system. Spend all your fuel to land on a fast leaving comet and Gather broadcast anything interesting that is detected, if anything at all, from outside the system we call Sol. A small Nuclear power pack and a radio transmitter and see what is outside our region of space.

So far we know we can play space golf, we just can't get a birdie yet.

Isn't that the job of VOYAGER I, that has left the Sol system and is transmitting pics?

Besides, the point of Philae was to interview an object that could tell us more about the beginning of creation. We cannot overlook the forest for the trees. If we can't go to creation, we can certainly look at a part of creation that has come to us.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/12/tech/inno ... ar-system/

cthia wrote:Isn't that the job of VOYAGER I, that has left the Sol system and is transmitting pics?

Besides, the point of Philae was to interview an object that could tell us more about the beginning of creation. We cannot overlook the forest for the trees. If we can't go to creation, we can certainly look at a part of creation that has come to us.

Matching a comet gives no more velocity than that comet. VOYAGER I played gravitational crack the whip with several of the gas giants on its way out to make major improvements in the velocity. I think four of them? This can only be done when the planets are in a configuration that allows it, which doesn't happen that often.

Read about someone experimenting with a light sail, which would provide improved solar system traveling.

Given the theories I've found where they have let theory trump evidence instead of the other way round, we may have some translation problems with that interview

DDHv wrote:Given the theories I've found where they have let theory trump evidence instead of the other way round, we may have some translation problems with that interview

Agreed.

There's something to be said for scientific theory, when it has its roots firmly entrenched into what I call scientific faith. Science does not dispel God, but supports him.

I personally have no issue with the idea of the Big Bang.

When God spoke to Moses on the mountain, the mountain shook. I don't think God was screaming, but barely a whisper. God spoke with a mute.

Back in college I had two Cerwin Vega speakers that would wake the dead and start a riot.

When God, with no frail human ear around of which to worry, proudly ushered in creation with "LET THERE BE LIGHT" ...

Well, I for one, really don't have a problem there was a big bang.

If anyone still has doubts. I, still have my Cerwin Vegas's.

cthia wrote:

DDHv wrote:Given the theories I've found where they have let theory trump evidence instead of the other way round, we may have some translation problems with that interview

Agreed.

There's something to be said for scientific theory, when it has its roots firmly entrenched into what I call scientific faith. Science does not dispel God, but supports him.

I personally have no issue with the idea of the Big Bang.

When God spoke to Moses on the mountain, the mountain shook. I don't think God was screaming, but barely a whisper. God spoke with a mute.

Back in college I had two Cerwin Vega speakers that would wake the dead and start a riot.

When God, with no frail human ear around of which to worry, proudly ushered in creation with "LET THERE BE LIGHT" ...

Well, I for one, really don't have a problem there was a big bang.

If anyone still has doubts. I, still have my Cerwin Vegas's.

OK, Bloody enough...

Cthia, we, or perhaps I should say 'I', have no problem whatsoever in your belief; where I have to draw the line is when it bleeds over into Every topic that I look at. I respect your beliefs, I really do- But I have absolutely No Problems whatsoever of giving some holy
roller the cold shoulder when they want to come to my door, and babble on at me about the benefits of ( insert your favorite religion here).

Do I believe in the same God you do? Probably not- given that I do no choose to subject my neighbors, passersby, and their bloody pets with religious harangue while they are within earshot. Why can you not accept that my religious principles, while they may differ from yours, are no less valid?! Why should I have to listen to you go on-at great lengths- about a concept that you have absolutelyNo Proof Of Whatsoever? Yes, you can trot out your endless 'proofs' from a Book that a great many scholars- both Secular and Religious- admit that ,at best, is only an approximation of what was originally intended and be so close minded to the fact that a great many of us- myself primarily-try to keep an open mind about? Unlike you, I DO NOT pretend that I speak for most,or even some,or even ANY of those here on these forums. I have an interpretation of my own that serves me quite well- and does not include having to make all those within reach agree with what I might have to say.

I'm sure that you will dispute that, that you will say that you're 'only trying to spread the Word of God'.

Got some news for you,Man- I DO NOT need your definition. As a Free and Independent mind, I am MORE than capable of making my own decisions- and, surprisingly enough, I have been able to do so without constantly referring to a work that A) Is of dubious credibility, and B)has very little relevance in the society that I choose to live in.

If God, whatever he/she/it/they turn out to be has need of whatever services I may be able to render, I am Quite certain that I would have NO doubts whatsoever of that request when and if it ever came. For you to pretend to be an Arbiter of that word,or request, I personally find to be repugnant.

I have formally requested a Forum Topic for you to be able to off on at length as you will.I hope that request is granted, for you obviously have a great deal you need to get off your chest, and you can proselytize to your heart's content.For myself, I have no need whatsoever of whatever 'truths' you hold to be relevant. For the record, 'My' God allows me to live in peace with those who do not believe as I do- He's ( for brevity's sake) OK with it, and so am I.

I Formally Apologize to the rest of the Forum for going off in this fashion. I simply cannot, and WILL NOT, tolerate having what and how I should believe-If I Choose to believe- dictated to me. I find it to be an insult to my intelligence, and morally repugnant.

Once again, I tender my Sincere Apologies to those who may find this rant unacceptable.