Honorcon 2014--The report thread

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kzt wrote:

lyonheart wrote:Are you considering the Manticon 2015?

I'm not really. Too much Cosplay, not enough honorverse mechanics.

I don't disagreed, as regards my own 'druthers. However, it should be noted for those who are seeking a "dose of David", that David Weber is definitely attending Manticon 2015, and Bu9 is also doing at least a few presentations.

No word yet AFAIK if an Evergreen rep will make the trek, but my guess, from their attitude toward "fan connection" at both recent Honorcons is, "probably Yes." In part because Evergreen things are going to start moving a bit faster over the winter.

dreamrider

kzt wrote:David has said, at least 3 times that I heard, that the current Honor Harrington storyline is over with the next two books.

So in reality we can expect it to take at least 6 more books.

Taurus2 wrote:

kzt wrote:David has said, at least 3 times that I heard, that the current Honor Harrington storyline is over with the next two books.

So in reality we can expect it to take at least 6 more books.

My sentiments exactly.

I respect RFC as an author tremendously - obviously, or I wouldn't be here - but he originally thought the whole series would take eight books, so.... Let's just say I won't be counting any novels before they're published.

(Besides, it happened to Tolkien too - "the tale grew in the telling", anyone? - and if it happened to him, it can happen to anybody!)

kzt wrote:David has said, at least 3 times that I heard, that the current Honor Harrington storyline is over with the next two books.

If that ius true, then there is no way that Honor gets to avenge the Yawata strike.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

kzt wrote:David has said, at least 3 times that I heard, that the current Honor Harrington storyline is over with the next two books.

If that ius true, then there is no way that Honor gets to avenge the Yawata strike.

Sounds doable enough. Book one ends with the GA discovering where the MA's HQ and major bases are. Book Two Honor goes hunting.

What's left of the MA goes into hiding to work up a new plan.

(Riguevictory suffers a brief moment of comic insanity.) Ok I just imagined the MA being reduced to two members named Leilei and Kane who go into stasis for a millennium to let they bank accounts build up enough to fund a galactic takeover attempt. Post Honor novels become a series of trilogies, duologies, and standalone books where the protagonists defeat LeiLei and Kane only for the two to go back into stasis under false names and repeat the process a thousand years later.

The BoMa discussion over on another thread reminded me of something David said during Honorcon.

That there was some background that got dropped in the editing of AAC.

Basically they lost a scene where Admiral Chin got an intel briefing on Beatrice and on the "known" max range of Apollo. And that one reason that she hesitated before attempting to hyper out is that Honor fired from further out than the intel briefing said Apollo was functional from.

So Chin had a mental delay processing the cognitive dissonance of what she "knew" verse what she was seeing; and that in the time it took her to work through that this must not be a bluff she ran out of the very limited time she had. By the time she gave the order there wasn't time for the hyper generators to cycle the ships into hyper before the missiles hit.

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Sounds doable enough. Book one ends with the GA discovering where the MA's HQ and major bases are. Book Two Honor goes hunting.

What's left of the MA goes into hiding to work up a new plan.

(Riguevictory suffers a brief moment of comic insanity.) Ok I just imagined the MA being reduced to two members named Leilei and Kane who go into stasis for a millennium to let they bank accounts build up enough to fund a galactic takeover attempt. Post Honor novels become a series of trilogies, duologies, and standalone books where the protagonists defeat LeiLei and Kane only for the two to go back into stasis under false names and repeat the process a thousand years later.[/quote]

Well….
Both Pat McGivens people and the accounting types with Mike's fleet are really good at tracking money so it is more than possible that they would find the accounts that Leilei and Kane are counting on.

So the GA or at least Manticore is going to find the accounts by tracking money.

In that case they will probably find that it is in some sort of corporate name and there is an orgainzation that was created to watch over it. It is MOST UNLIKELY that any Bank or even planetary government is going to let one or more account just sit with no activity other than interest or just bank charges for 1,000 years- trust me on that one.
It is then going to roll up the "caretaker" organization including any Alignment or thier employees and THEN take the money. I can think of any number of legal ways to get it even if they don't just transfer the funds to a SEM account.

THEN:
If these two were members of the Alignment, they have either been or can be shortly convicted of any number of crimes which may or may not carry the death penalty.
First you seize all the assets and the case.
Second you pull them out of stasis and administer the sentence.
This becomes even nicer if it takes 200+ years to accomplish because then they are 1) broke, 2) in prison or dead. IF they are in prison, they are still broke, are no hope of someone attempting to rescue them. You might even subject them to endless repition of "historical documentaries" and then the dozens of "made for TV" movies or video entertainment series of the Harrington Saga and The Destruction of the Alignment and Beowulf Assendent----you get the idea.

roseandheather wrote:

Taurus2 wrote:So in reality we can expect it to take at least 6 more books.

My sentiments exactly.

I respect RFC as an author tremendously - obviously, or I wouldn't be here - but he originally thought the whole series would take eight books, so.... Let's just say I won't be counting any novels before they're published.

(Besides, it happened to Tolkien too - "the tale grew in the telling", anyone? - and if it happened to him, it can happen to anybody!)

rnh,
Normally I would be right there with you, but I heard David talk about this several times at Honorcon, and frankly, you can tell that he is ready to reach the end of Honor's arc. Pretty committed.

Also, he is not ruling out some later (like, 15 - 20 years later, Honor-time) 'stand-alone' books/stories in the Honorverse. Further, he seems very happy with how the 'Manticore Ascendant' series is keeping the SKM 'in play'.

So, although before Honorcon I was thinking about 5 more books, post-personal-encounter I think he may actually be able to wrap the current saga in 2 books, as he claims...assuming that Toni will sign off on a couple of those mid-series style 600 page tomes. Otherwise it will take three 450 pagers...but that's just quibbling.

dreamrider

Taurus2 wrote:

kzt wrote:David has said, at least 3 times that I heard, that the current Honor Harrington storyline is over with the next two books.

So in reality we can expect it to take at least 6 more books.

There will be two books, numbered one and two. It is a mark of David Weber's genius that he will find hitherto-unsuspected integers in between them. I somehow anticipate a scene in which Detweiler's bodyguard has a rational discussion with Honor or Thandi Palane (choose one, because after he is dismembered he will be less effective). There is also the scene in which the surviving alignment members flee on a Detweiler type ship, thinking "if only, if only" (this being a reference to another author's novels.)