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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by PeterZ   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:53 am

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Hi, Lyonheart.

Of course Irys' Marauders will need extensive training to be true dragoons. They are highly trained cavalry already and perfect for raiding the Dohlahran coast. Arm them with revolvers, attach mortars to the group and include trained infantry that can ride and you have excellent rear area marauders. They won't fight stand up battles. They ambush and fight only forces ill equipped to deal with them. Beyond that Irys' Own will destroy infrastructure and supplies forcing the RDA to disperse to protect its enormous coastline.


lyonheart wrote:Hi PeterZ, Don;

Guys, again its going to take awhile to train the Corisandans, and Windshare's cavalry are definitely not dragoons, so they'll take longer to even understand the concept, given how mindless most cavalry are. ;)

Currently we have something near 360,000 ICA combat troops in theater, plus almost 400,000 RSA riflemen who should be able to deal with the MHoGatA sometime this summer, after they destroy the remnants of the AoG under Wyrshym and Kaitswyrth this month or the next; given how far south the Daivyn and Aivahstyn are [so winter is ending earlier], Symkyn should eliminate Kaitswyrth soon.

Then it will still take a couple of month's for the MHoGatA to reach the front, and who knows what the ICA may have by that time. :D

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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by Caliban   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:19 pm

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Good points, all

Don't forget about the Zebediahian recruits; they are currently forming up and training in Chisholm, IIRC, so they will be available to shore up manpower requirements. While there may not be that many at first, between the recruits from Zebediah and Corisande there should be enough ready when needed.

As far as the industrial sector goes, so far there seem to be enough in the way of personnel to staff the factories in all the realms.Siddarmark is getting the tech assist they need to begin building the advanced tech, and even though certain Nobles are trying to drag their heels in Chisholm there should be more than enough to staff those places as well.

And then there's Tarot. They're already in the ICN, and it's just a matter of time before factories are placed there, easing logistical factors.

Just a few thoughts...
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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by n7axw   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:17 pm

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PeterZ wrote:Hi, Lyonheart.

Of course Irys' Marauders will need extensive training to be true dragoons. They are highly trained cavalry already and perfect for raiding the Dohlahran coast. Arm them with revolvers, attach mortars to the group and include trained infantry that can ride and you have excellent rear area marauders. They won't fight stand up battles. They ambush and fight only forces ill equipped to deal with them. Beyond that Irys' Own will destroy infrastructure and supplies forcing the RDA to disperse to protect its enormous coastline.


lyonheart wrote:Hi PeterZ, Don;

Guys, again its going to take awhile to train the Corisandans, and Windshare's cavalry are definitely not dragoons, so they'll take longer to even understand the concept, given how mindless most cavalry are. ;)

Currently we have something near 360,000 ICA combat troops in theater, plus almost 400,000 RSA riflemen who should be able to deal with the MHoGatA sometime this summer, after they destroy the remnants of the AoG under Wyrshym and Kaitswyrth this month or the next; given how far south the Daivyn and Aivahstyn are [so winter is ending earlier], Symkyn should eliminate Kaitswyrth soon.

Then it will still take a couple of month's for the MHoGatA to reach the front, and who knows what the ICA may have by that time. :D

L


Hi Lyonheart,

Actually, training the Corisandians probably would take less time than you might think. They already have the foundational skills of soldiers. Mostly it would be a matter of knocking off the rust and training them out on the new weapons.

As for Windshare's calvary, update their weapons and let them be calvary, doing raids behind enemy lines, scouting and so on. IIRC, there are only about 12,000 of them and I'm sure that they will be useful.

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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by n7axw   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:23 pm

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Caliban wrote:Good points, all

Don't forget about the Zebediahian recruits; they are currently forming up and training in Chisholm, IIRC, so they will be available to shore up manpower requirements. While there may not be that many at first, between the recruits from Zebediah and Corisande there should be enough ready when needed.

As far as the industrial sector goes, so far there seem to be enough in the way of personnel to staff the factories in all the realms.Siddarmark is getting the tech assist they need to begin building the advanced tech, and even though certain Nobles are trying to drag their heels in Chisholm there should be more than enough to staff those places as well.

And then there's Tarot. They're already in the ICN, and it's just a matter of time before factories are placed there, easing logistical factors.

Just a few thoughts...


At a guess, Sharleyan should keep about 40,000 troops at home in Chisholm to discourage adventurism on the part of nobles with delusions of grandeur.

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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by anwi   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:26 pm

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What I don't get is the need to beef up ICA numbers deployed in the field any more. The human ressources of Siddarmark should be sufficient for building up the armies they want - and can supply. I can understand having troops from all over the EoC deployed for political reasons. Since the ICA needs also supporting staff to keep troops in the field, they should try to limit the troops the actually have in the field (ref. man-power shortage).
Unless, of course, the inner circle really plans to conquer the Temple Lands. But I don't see why that would be necessary with the internal pressures an obviously failing Jihad will pose on the vicariate and its leadership.
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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by saber964   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:03 pm

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n7axw wrote:
Caliban wrote:Good points, all

Don't forget about the Zebediahian recruits; they are currently forming up and training in Chisholm, IIRC, so they will be available to shore up manpower requirements. While there may not be that many at first, between the recruits from Zebediah and Corisande there should be enough ready when needed.

As far as the industrial sector goes, so far there seem to be enough in the way of personnel to staff the factories in all the realms.Siddarmark is getting the tech assist they need to begin building the advanced tech, and even though certain Nobles are trying to drag their heels in Chisholm there should be more than enough to staff those places as well.

And then there's Tarot. They're already in the ICN, and it's just a matter of time before factories are placed there, easing logistical factors.

Just a few thoughts...


At a guess, Sharleyan should keep about 40,000 troops at home in Chisholm to discourage adventurism on the part of nobles with delusions of grandeur.

Don

According to LAMA Chisholm has 20,000 troops as both garrison and training cadre. Also Zebidia already has troops in the ICA, and to say they are not fanatically loyal to the EoC would be a gross understatement.
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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by n7axw   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:20 pm

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Hi Sabre964,

That's right. I was presuming the training cadre plus the Zebadians and whoever else is being worked up. I doubled the 20,000 figure and figured that anyone over that would be available for service elsewhere. We have no textev for anything beyond the 20,000, so everything else is a WAG.

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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by cralkhi   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:22 pm

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n7axw wrote:Also, the allies will need to over run Zion, whether it is done by marching on the temple from the land side or if it is done amphibiously. You simply can't leave the current temple management in place and consider the war over with. No way do the allies stop at the border between the Temple Lands and the border states. :mrgreen:

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Something has to happen, but maybe not an invasion; a coup by Duchairn against Clyntahn or Nynian assassinating Clyntahn might set up Duchairn to sue for peace.
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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by n7axw   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:35 pm

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cralkhi wrote:
n7axw wrote:Also, the allies will need to over run Zion, whether it is done by marching on the temple from the land side or if it is done amphibiously. You simply can't leave the current temple management in place and consider the war over with. No way do the allies stop at the border between the Temple Lands and the border states. :mrgreen:

Don


Something has to happen, but maybe not an invasion; a coup by Duchairn against Clyntahn or Nynian assassinating Clyntahn might set up Duchairn to sue for peace.


It sounds like a forlorn hope to me. Even if Clyntahn gets bumped off, there are more Clyntahns where he came from. I strongly doubt that Duchairn would survive the backlash, let alone be in control of Zion to the point where he could sue for peace.

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Re: Manpower shortage
Post by 6L6   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:48 pm

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Duchairn needs to create his own paramilitary force, "treasury agents" loyal to him. When it comes down to a contest between him and Clyntahn he can be protected.
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