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Post by Kater   » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:11 am

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Is there a list with the Safehold names and their Terran origin

Some are selfexplaining but some I simply can't figure out

example:
Zhan = Sean or Jean
Zhanayt = Jeanette
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Re: Safehold names
Post by Randomiser   » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:59 pm

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Kater wrote:Is there a list with the Safehold names and their Terran origin

Some are selfexplaining but some I simply can't figure out

example:
Zhan = Sean or Jean
Zhanayt = Jeanette


I haven't seen a list, but I haven't really had any problems in working out the original names and usually read them as the original rather than try to have any strange pronunciation going on in my head. Well, maybe there are one or two, where the original must have been quite 'foreign' for an English speaker - take Nimue2's surname for example - You need Welsh phonetics to work out how that's supposed to be pronounced.

If there are some you are particularly puzzled by, post them, and I am sure someone will help.

It's probably not good linguistics, but I usually read
Zhan = John and Zhanayt = Janet. Equivalencies partly depend on which language you think the names started in. :)
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Re: Safehold names
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:13 pm

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Well, there is some laws of language evolution... But i must admin, i only knew that they existed at all. Maybe someone more wise in this area may help?
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Re: Safehold names
Post by Kakai   » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:02 am

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I once found an article on the subject while looking for something else (http://www.springhole.net/writing/namesofthefuture.htm). Admittedly, in Safehold circumstances most of it may not be very helpful, but that's still something.

There's also the term known as "language economics" (roughly tanslating), meaning that people will try to shorten word, phrase or name to make it faster to write or say. Can't really say that happened on Safehold either... :roll:

I generally just try to find Terran equivalent, like Randomiser, although sometimes I try reading it Safeholdian when I have no idea (Rainos still escapes me, for example).
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Re: Safehold names
Post by bunyipbelle   » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:25 pm

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One interesting name is Nahrmahn Baytz. The English equivalent of the name is Norman Bates who is the main character in the novel and film Psycho.

Kater wrote:Is thsere a list with the Safehold names and their Terran origin

Some are selfexplaining but some I simply can't figure out

example:
Zhan = Sean or Jean
Zhanayt = Jeanette
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Re: Safehold names
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:13 pm

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And his uncle was Hannibal. :evil:

bunyipbelle wrote:One interesting name is Nahrmahn Baytz. The English equivalent of the name is Norman Bates who is the main character in the novel and film Psycho.

Kater wrote:Is thsere a list with the Safehold names and their Terran origin

Some are selfexplaining but some I simply can't figure out

example:
Zhan = Sean or Jean
Zhanayt = Jeanette
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Re: Safehold names
Post by USMA74   » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:20 pm

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Baron of Green Valley Kynt Clareyk=Kent Clark vice Superman's alter ego Clark Kent. 8-)
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Re: Safehold names
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:26 pm

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His male aide had a name similar to "Lois Lane". :twisted: :twisted:

USMA74 wrote:Baron of Green Valley Kynt Clareyk=Kent Clark vice Superman's alter ego Clark Kent. 8-)
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Re: Safehold names
Post by Keith_w   » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:58 pm

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I think that Horseman (or however it gets spelt on Safehold) is an attempt to rehabilitate the Houseman name from Honour of the Queen (and later novels).
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Re: Safehold names
Post by Imaginos1892   » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:58 pm

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I've found a few in the first 3 books. No attempts to replicate the tortuous Safehold spelling here.

Peter Sellers
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Patrick McNee
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