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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:51 pm

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Hi AClone,

But did all of the troopships originate in Chisholm?

Could some of them have been engineers now trained with dynamite at Delthak etc?

Could some be artillerymen [red-legs?] now trained on the new breech loaders also made at Delthak?

While we know Emerald has those amazingly long ranged messenger wyverns, if they return to Eraystor, it might mean another wyvern trip or semaphore message to transmit to Tellesburg and Cherayth, but I'll leave that in RFC's capable hands.

L


AClone wrote:Apparently lots of folks missed the respose that the troppships themselves originated in Chisholm, and joined the convoy in Emerald.


Happy belated birthday, RFC!


If publication really is November '15. please do NOT rush to give us another snippet! :twisted:
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by n7axw   » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:29 pm

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lyonheart wrote:Hi AClone,

But did all of the troopships originate in Chisholm?

Could some of them have been engineers now trained with dynamite at Delthak etc?

Could some be artillerymen [red-legs?] now trained on the new breech loaders also made at Delthak?

While we know Emerald has those amazingly long ranged messenger wyverns, if they return to Eraystor, it might mean another wyvern trip or semaphore message to transmit to Tellesburg and Cherayth, but I'll leave that in RFC's capable hands.

L


AClone wrote:Apparently lots of folks missed the respose that the troppships themselves originated in Chisholm, and joined the convoy in Emerald.


Happy belated birthday, RFC!


If publication really is November '15. please do NOT rush to give us another snippet! :twisted:


Hi Lyonheart,

It could be all of that. Or as was mentioned up thread it could simply be freshly recruited and trained soldiers. I think it is awefully hard to extrapolate time tables and draw conclusions from that.

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by anwi   » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:22 am

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runsforcelery wrote:
(snip)
History is replete with examples of people who "should have known better" surrendering or allowing themselves to be captured even when all of their personal experience and knowledge suggests that they are only going to be killed out of hand, anyway. I'll admit that knowing about the Punishment of Schueler ups the ante all around, but there are plenty of people who will trade the possibility (or even high probability) of an eventual lingering death for the certainty of dying immediately.


Somewhat belatedly:
We have now seen or heard of at least 3 separate instances where CoGA captives from Charisian ships were either directly killed or even tortured to death. I'd assume that this would have quite an impact on merchant sailors, captains and ultimately the armament of Charisian cargo vessels.
As kindly explained in previous posts, the raiding vessels are limited to comparatively small guns which could be installed on most cargo vessels (in principle), if they'd only be available.
In our real world analogies, privateering and pirateering worked because merchantmen actually fighting back (on average) had more to loose (their lives) than those striking their flag. Against that background, the reluctance to actually arm merchantmen (still adhered to today) can be well understood.
This assumption probably doesn't apply any more on Safehold. And if I'd be asked to be a sailor on a Charis merchantman, I'd like to be able to fight back under these conditions.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. If this kind of privateering is not curbed quickly, I'd expect armed cargo ships.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by n7axw   » Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:49 am

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anwi wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:
(snip)
History is replete with examples of people who "should have known better" surrendering or allowing themselves to be captured even when all of their personal experience and knowledge suggests that they are only going to be killed out of hand, anyway. I'll admit that knowing about the Punishment of Schueler ups the ante all around, but there are plenty of people who will trade the possibility (or even high probability) of an eventual lingering death for the certainty of dying immediately.


Somewhat belatedly:
We have now seen or heard of at least 3 separate instances where CoGA captives from Charisian ships were either directly killed or even tortured to death. I'd assume that this would have quite an impact on merchant sailors, captains and ultimately the armament of Charisian cargo vessels.
As kindly explained in previous posts, the raiding vessels are limited to comparatively small guns which could be installed on most cargo vessels (in principle), if they'd only be available.
In our real world analogies, privateering and pirateering worked because merchantmen actually fighting back (on average) had more to loose (their lives) than those striking their flag. Against that background, the reluctance to actually arm merchantmen (still adhered to today) can be well understood.
This assumption probably doesn't apply any more on Safehold. And if I'd be asked to be a sailor on a Charis merchantman, I'd like to be able to fight back under these conditions.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. If this kind of privateering is not curbed quickly, I'd expect armed cargo ships.


As per the snippet that began this thread, most of the merchantmen are already armed.

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by dwileye13   » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:54 pm

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anwi wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:
(snip)
History is replete with examples of people who "should have known better" surrendering or allowing themselves to be captured even when all of their personal experience and knowledge suggests that they are only going to be killed out of hand, anyway. I'll admit that knowing about the Punishment of Schueler ups the ante all around, but there are plenty of people who will trade the possibility (or even high probability) of an eventual lingering death for the certainty of dying immediately.


Somewhat belatedly:
We have now seen or heard of at least 3 separate instances where CoGA captives from Charisian ships were either directly killed or even tortured to death. I'd assume that this would have quite an impact on merchant sailors, captains and ultimately the armament of Charisian cargo vessels.
As kindly explained in previous posts, the raiding vessels are limited to comparatively small guns which could be installed on most cargo vessels (in principle), if they'd only be available.
In our real world analogies, privateering and pirateering worked because merchantmen actually fighting back (on average) had more to loose (their lives) than those striking their flag. Against that background, the reluctance to actually arm merchantmen (still adhered to today) can be well understood.
This assumption probably doesn't apply any more on Safehold. And if I'd be asked to be a sailor on a Charis merchantman, I'd like to be able to fight back under these conditions.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. If this kind of privateering is not curbed quickly, I'd expect armed cargo ships.


Desnair is setting themselves up for a severe thrashing. Have they not got the message that the slaughter of Charisians brings very heavy conseqences? :idea:

I expect there will be visitations to Desnairs Capital and Major Ports by the Cities and the Haraalds to provide some more emphasis to the message.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by Direwolf18   » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:19 pm

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dwileye13 wrote:
Desnair is setting themselves up for a severe thrashing. Have they not got the message that the slaughter of Charisians brings very heavy conseqences? :idea:

I expect there will be visitations to Desnairs Capital and Major Ports by the Cities and the Haraalds to provide some more emphasis to the message.


And I can think of just the Captain that would be in the middle of it. Teeny Tiny snippet 2 had Captain Bahrnams up to... dare I say it... Mischief?

Oh how I hope he is getting ready to open up a can of whup ass on some Desnairians. I don't like Desnairians, I don't like Dohalarns either, but at least I respect them.
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by lyonheart   » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:05 pm

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Hi Anwi,

Welcome to the forums, enjoy your favorite cg beverage on the cg forum. ;)

I don't think the ICA has the troop strength to rotate their combat troops yet.

OTOH, the reserve army of 43,000 when coupled with the 50,000+ that left at the end of September, would mean some ~98,000 might be available for such being over 27% of the combined combat strength, but it would seem much easier and faster for the reserve army to replace EHM's 2nd Corps casualties [~12,000] as well as DE's and BGV's etc within 5 5days if the canal dragons can tow 20+ hours a day like Duchairn's 'specials', if steam towing still isn't available at ~200 miles a day.

The major problem with rearming the RSA is that there simply isn't enough rifles, even muzzle loaders to equip more RSA troops until more are captured since the Siddarmark production rate is so low, or after M96's replace Mahndrayns, which may commence soon.

At the moment, ie the spring of 897, there are ~400-405,000 RSA troops with rifles; half of them just finishing their training, with about the same number [400K] or less engaged in fighting TL's without rifles, before more new regiments and divisions are stood up.

Assuming no industrial accidents to slow production in Charis ;) , enough M96's could be produced in 897 to reequip the ICA combat units [~75% of the total number], but most Chisholm made would likely be held back for the recruits now training, and without steam freighters getting Charis's to Siddarmark might be delayed until March or later of 898 would be awkward.

While I expect the majority of the MHoGatA's rifles to wind up in the hands of the alliance before the end of the year, planning on that would not be a good idea, however well it worked for the Japanese in WWII against the British.

L


anwi wrote:Hi,
troops drafted in Corisande, Zebediah and Emerald would actually make sense, so that's what I'd assume. Moreover, a hefty supply of new weaponry going to - well, Siddar City most likely (not known).
However, the EoC could switch to just rotating their combat units and at the same time rebuilding the SRA to considerable strength. It should be as easy to train young motivated Siddarmarkians as their own people. And given the current population numbers, there should be a potential for the SRA to get up to numbers that are large enough to face the Harchongian contingent, providing they have modern Charisian weapons. So I'd fully expect the convoy to carry more weapons than troops.

Regarding things produced in Emerald - we don't even know, what they're producing around there. We've only seen that the IC is trying to industrialize Chisholm - and to a certain extent Siddarmark.
However, one of the EoC's main problems is speedy communication, for a lot of reasons. And incidentally, there've been several special breeds of messenger wyvern mentioned for Eraystor. Could be they have now the numbers to make effective use of them.


lyonheart wrote:Hi Don, AClone,

(snip)

More combat troops from Chisholm seems a bit too quick, given the extensive practice the ICA's tactics require, possibly more mortar troops, since that could be done faster.

The troops could be fresh marines from Charis, having finished their training on Helen's Island; or specialized support troops, possibly engineers who've just finished their instruction and practice with dynamite and possibly even TNT or at least briefed on it.

They could also be artillery trained on the new breech loaders, or possibly dynamite rockets [much lower firing shock and acceleration].

Plus whatever was made at Eraystor, possibly something for the canal barrier mentioned in the unofficial snippet #2?

We still don't know where the troops that left Port Royal at the beginning of section 10 in September have gone; probably near Silk Town, since Hanth doesn't think of them in his thoughts at the end of October when Delthak is saluted, though that should have been too early for them to arrive, NTM an army corps is too big for him to command with no previous experience.

I thought I'd finished this hours ago.

Perhaps we'll find out soon.

L

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by n7axw   » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:45 pm

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Hi Lyonheart,

Your post up thread raises an interesting question about Siddarmark's rifle production. We know as of the last textev that it was quite low, but the rate was climbing upward.

Do we have any way to speculate on how much the rate has improved as of the end of LAMA?

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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by chrisd   » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:58 am

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For defence against privateers would it not be advantageous for merchantmen to use "Langridge", "Chain", "Bar" or other "Dismantling Shot"?

A privateer with rigging and sails shot down cannot quickly overtake a merchant ship, especially if there is a convoy available
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Re: HFQ Official Snippet #9
Post by lyonheart   » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:54 pm

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Hi Don,

Nope.

No textev yet.

Which is why we wait for snippets. :D

I'd suspect sharing the production circles concept, along with Dohlar's production numbers, NTM Silkiah's, besides the temple lands; would act as enough of a goad to Siddarmark's gun makers to try to compete for their families' survival sake.

You'd think they were already 'highly motivated' to produce all they could, but now with the pressure off, thanks to the ICA, who knows?

L


n7axw wrote:Hi Lyonheart,

Your post up thread raises an interesting question about Siddarmark's rifle production. We know as of the last textev that it was quite low, but the rate was climbing upward.

Do we have any way to speculate on how much the rate has improved as of the end of LAMA?

Don
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