The Alignment and Maya.

Hi SWM,

Yup, it's come up a time or two, but there's no evidence to support it, while the textev indicates the opposite.

He's a realist like Anton, he knows he has to do some bad things to achieve Maya's independence.

We have his thoughts and spoken regrets concerning Rozsak's losses, his doubts about going forward in chapter 8 somewhere [MoH or ART?] that indicate his dedication to the Maya Sector's successful secession, and what the MAlign seems to know is rather limited if not mistaken, since B&R don't intend to be the first to rebel, rather much later and as quietly as possible amid all the other smoke, so its another error in the MAlign's planning.

This Maya sector process has been building since CoS, where Anton reviews how he sees the league as falling apart soon with Barregos taking his impressive share, as does Erewhon's leadership, Victor and Kevin, Elisabeth III, etc.

It seems that the Maya is just the best prepared sector to go it alone that we know of. Yet.

L

SWM wrote:Yeah, it's come up in the forums a couple times before. I don't think anyone has come up with any evidence to support the idea. It's not implausible, but what little evidence we have suggests otherwise. It's obvious that the Alignment knows about Barregos' plans, and they probably have some agents there. But the Alignment plan for spontaneous rebellions does not require the leaders of those rebellions to be Mesan agents. Some of them might be agents. Some of them might simply be under the influence of agents. And some of them might be people who recognize what is coming and are preparing for it--whether for their own gain or for more altruistic reasons. What little evidence we have suggests that Barregos is one of the latter. Mesan agents will be watching all the sectors they expect to be powder kegs, and Maya is high on the list.

lyonheart wrote:Snip...
We have his thoughts and spoken regrets concerning Rozsak's losses, his doubts about going forward in chapter 8 somewhere [MoH or ART?] that indicate his dedication to the Maya Sector's successful secession, and what the MAlign seems to know is rather limited if not mistaken, since B&R don't intend to be the first to rebel, rather much later and as quietly as possible amid all the other smoke, so its another error in the MAlign's planning.

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Could the malign be thinking Maya will be first because the malign is going to be making some pretty big info dumps about what B&R are doing? Maybe a malign agent keeping tabs of all the construction etc. Of course if anyone in the SL has any sense they will know that "new-build" = superior to what the SL has and they will either approach very carefully, or go in with the 400+ wallers that were supposed to follow-on behind Filalettra(sp)


Just a thought

T&R
GJS

[quote="George J. Smith]

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Could the malign be thinking Maya will be first because the malign is going to be making some pretty big info dumps about what B&R are doing? Maybe a malign agent keeping tabs of all the construction etc. Of course if anyone in the SL has any sense they will know that "new-build" = superior to what the SL has and they will either approach very carefully, or go in with the 400+ wallers that were supposed to follow-on behind Filalettra(sp)


Just a thought

T&R
GJS[/quote]
I thought they were staging through the Maya Sector. Isn't Tasmania in the Maya Sector? And the follow on waves (I thought the figure being cited in ART was 600 SDs) were staging through Tasmania.

kenl511 wrote:[quote="George J. Smith]

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Could the malign be thinking Maya will be first because the malign is going to be making some pretty big info dumps about what B&R are doing? Maybe a malign agent keeping tabs of all the construction etc. Of course if anyone in the SL has any sense they will know that "new-build" = superior to what the SL has and they will either approach very carefully, or go in with the 400+ wallers that were supposed to follow-on behind Filalettra(sp)


Just a thought

T&R
GJS[/quote]
I thought they were staging through the Maya Sector. Isn't Tasmania in the Maya Sector? And the follow on waves (I thought the figure being cited in ART was 600 SDs) were staging through Tasmania.[/quote]

Well if they are staging through Tasmania/Maya sector then they will be on hand to give R&B some unwanted trouble if the SL realises what R&B are doing


T&R
GJS

kenl511 wrote:I thought they were staging through the Maya Sector. Isn't Tasmania in the Maya Sector? And the follow on waves (I thought the figure being cited in ART was 600 SDs) were staging through Tasmania.

No, Tasmania is not in the Maya Sector. We don't know much about where Tasmania is. We have only two facts about Tasmania: it is a little over 400 light-years from Manticore, and it is in the Shell. The Maya Sector is in the Protectorates, not the Shell.

kenl511 wrote:

George J. Smith wrote:

snip...

Could the malign be thinking Maya will be first because the malign is going to be making some pretty big info dumps about what B&R are doing? Maybe a malign agent keeping tabs of all the construction etc. Of course if anyone in the SL has any sense they will know that "new-build" = superior to what the SL has and they will either approach very carefully, or go in with the 400+ wallers that were supposed to follow-on behind Filalettra(sp)


Just a thought

T&R
GJS

I thought they were staging through the Maya Sector. Isn't Tasmania in the Maya Sector? And the follow on waves (I thought the figure being cited in ART was 600 SDs) were staging through Tasmania.

Except for Smoking Frog, IIRC all the planets in the Maya Sector are named after science fiction authors. I don't think "Tasmania" was a science fiction author.

I suspect that Maya was, nudged, towards being the first sector to rebel on the assumption that the SL would try to hammer it back into place. Being first it's likely to be hammered the hardest.
Then the RF sectors would start breaking away.

So no not Messan. But getting a lot of hidden 'help' from them.

SWM wrote:

kenl511 wrote:I thought they were staging through the Maya Sector. Isn't Tasmania in the Maya Sector? And the follow on waves (I thought the figure being cited in ART was 600 SDs) were staging through Tasmania.

No, Tasmania is not in the Maya Sector. We don't know much about where Tasmania is. We have only two facts about Tasmania: it is a little over 400 light-years from Manticore, and it is in the Shell. The Maya Sector is in the Protectorates, not the Shell.

Apologies for the de-rail, but I was thinking about Tasmania and those ships out there again today.

We know from all the maps ever drawn that the Manticore-Beowulf wormhole is 475ly long, and that Beowulf is about 1 week's transit from Old Earth. So call it an additional 60 LY and we have 535ly from Old Earth to Manticore in hyper.

We know from texev in MoH (just looked it up), that it will take Filareta about 6 T-weeks to get from Tasmania to Manticore, and if we figure about 7Ly/day in hyper by 40 days = 280ly.

So if he is on a 'straight line' (which I know in 3-D space is not likely), then Tasmania is about 250LY from Old Earth, which puts it out on the edge of the Shell alright.

And based on that dratted 2-D map, it could be in striking distance of Haven, the Andies, or Talbott, depending on the precise location of The Mysterious Planet.....

Which may not matter at all, because if Honor and the GA find out about it (MoH left that a bit...murky), I suspect that fleet will be going away--one way or another.

Apologies for de-rail. We now return you to your normally scheduled thread.

One might propose that Smoking Frog and the SF Author planets were colonized by two different groups of people. The SF Authors were all colonized by the likes of LASFS or NESFA or the N3F or MITSFS. The obvious etymology of Smoking Frog implies an original government, perhaps now having only residual ceremonial posts like the real-world Ancient and Honorable Company of Artillery, or the Massachusetts troop of horse lancers* that escorts the Governor of the Commonwealth in carriage and four from his mansion to the Harvard graduation.

*I have seen the lancers in action. You just do not see quality horse cavalry as much recently.

Obvious and important residual Smoking Frog posts would of course include the Itz Tzokolatl and the Kaloomte Cacau.

Hutch wrote:

SWM" quote="kenl511 wrote:I thought they were staging through the Maya Sector. Isn't Tasmania in the Maya Sector? And the follow on waves (I thought the figure being cited in ART was 600 SDs) were staging through Tasmania.

No, Tasmania is not in the Maya Sector. We don't know much about where Tasmania is. We have only two facts about Tasmania: it is a little over 400 light-years from Manticore, and it is in the Shell. The Maya Sector is in the Protectorates, not the Shell.

Apologies for the de-rail, but I was thinking about Tasmania and those ships out there again today.

We know from all the maps ever drawn that the Manticore-Beowulf wormhole is 475ly long, and that Beowulf is about 1 week's transit from Old Earth. So call it an additional 60 LY and we have 535ly from Old Earth to Manticore in hyper.

We know from texev in MoH (just looked it up), that it will take Filareta about 6 T-weeks to get from Tasmania to Manticore, and if we figure about 7Ly/day in hyper by 40 days = 280ly.

So if he is on a 'straight line' (which I know in 3-D space is not likely), then Tasmania is about 250LY from Old Earth, which puts it out on the edge of the Shell alright.

And based on that dratted 2-D map, it could be in striking distance of Haven, the Andies, or Talbott, depending on the precise location of The Mysterious Planet.....

Which may not matter at all, because if Honor and the GA find out about it (MoH left that a bit...murky), I suspect that fleet will be going away--one way or another.

Apologies for de-rail. We now return you to your normally scheduled thread.[/quote]
Manticore is 512LY from Earth. Also IIRC The Pharris family lived there before immigrating to Sphinx.