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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by Charybdis   » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:06 pm

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layman wrote:
Guys do you know how to properly read a dates??
Its 11 January 2015 not 01 November 2015.
Most common system to write a date is:
day - month - year or year - month – day

Layman


Obviously, I wish you were right here but in this case, like with the metric vs imperial system, the USofA's 'MMDDYYYY' being out of step (with Poland and Europe's predominant 'DDMMYYYY'). However, unlike the metric system, I assert that both standards are WRONG! Given my programmer experience, I always coded the date field as 'YYYYMMDD' (your second suggestion) because it would sort without any need for modification or manipulation as it has the most significant values to the left!

If I were dictator of the world, that would be my 1st order (after breakfast!)
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by garfield   » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:52 pm

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Charybdis wrote: However, unlike the metric system, I assert that both standards are WRONG! Given my programmer experience, I always coded the date field as 'YYYYMMDD' (your second suggestion) because it would sort without any need for modification or manipulation as it has the most significant values to the left!

If I were dictator of the world, that would be my 1st order (after breakfast!)


I second that :D
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by Keith_w   » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:37 pm

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Charybdis wrote:
layman wrote:
Guys do you know how to properly read a dates??
Its 11 January 2015 not 01 November 2015.
Most common system to write a date is:
day - month - year or year - month – day

Layman


Obviously, I wish you were right here but in this case, like with the metric vs imperial system, the USofA's 'MMDDYYYY' being out of step (with Poland and Europe's predominant 'DDMMYYYY'). However, unlike the metric system, I assert that both standards are WRONG! Given my programmer experience, I always coded the date field as 'YYYYMMDD' (your second suggestion) because it would sort without any need for modification or manipulation as it has the most significant values to the left!

If I were dictator of the world, that would be my 1st order (after breakfast!)



ISO Standard. Great for sorting.
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by Joat42   » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:22 pm

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Keith_w wrote:ISO Standard. Great for sorting.


Even better for data exchange. And the standard in question is ISO-8601.

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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by Marty   » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:28 pm

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Well, one day closer, 380 to go. Sigh.

Are we there yet?
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by Bruno Behrends   » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:50 am

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Concerning Ice and Fire I laud your discipline and can say that it would have been good for my mental health had I acted the same.

Since you plan on sticking to your resolution better don't start watching the HBO show. That was my undoing. It ups the addiction factor by an order of magnitude - and strangely for the books too.

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Seawolf509 wrote:Guys/Gals just do what I do... wait till the series is complete then buy all the books at once! No waiting!!
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I kind of am doing that with George RR Martin. I read the first 3 books of the series, which were all out at the time, then got sidetracked with the long wait for the 4th book and never resumed the series. Having characters you like constantly get killed was kind of rough, but other than that I thought it was ok, so I probably will give it a 2nd go once he finishes the series. However, I was never as addicted to Martin as I am to Weber. I can make myself wait for the Song of Ice and Fire series to be complete before resuming it. I'm going to get the next Safehold, Honorverse, or Multiverse book as soon as I possibly can.
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by cralkhi   » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:43 am

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It is kind of baffling to me that it generally takes publishers this long once they get the book... didn't one of Brandon Sanderson's WOT books come out like 4 months (maybe less?) after manuscript submission? And those are even longer than the Safehold books.
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by SWM   » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:45 am

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cralkhi wrote:It is kind of baffling to me that it generally takes publishers this long once they get the book... didn't one of Brandon Sanderson's WOT books come out like 4 months (maybe less?) after manuscript submission? And those are even longer than the Safehold books.

Most people don't realize how much goes into publishing a book. It has to be edited, possibly by more than one person, edits have to be reviewed by the author, it often has to go through that editing/review cycle multiple times, it can require entire rewrites of sections, it has to be proofread, the same thing has to happen with the cover art, it has to be formatted, and it has to be printed and bound. The physical process of printing can take weeks or months by itself. Editors, proofreaders, and authors all have schedules to keep and many other things on their schedule. Each cycle of editing to author review and back to editor can take months, if schedules don't match.

The single most important factor in how long it takes to publish is the publishing schedule. Publishers keep a schedule a year to two years in advance. That's mostly because they want the printing presses running constantly. The printing schedule is extremely tight.

Even before the manuscript gets turned in, the publisher is looking ahead at the schedule for the editors, proofreaders, and printers. They estimate when the editors can fit it into their schedule, when it can be proofread, how long it will take to print, when it will fit into the printing schedule. They look at their anticipated publishing schedule. They want to release X number of books a month, so that determines how they allocate printing time. They often announce their publishing schedule a year in advance, for publicity purposes and give distributors and retailers time to place orders and do their own publicity. Woe betide the author or editor who doesn't make deadline.

The age of self-publishing is giving people a distorted view of what real publishing is like. Vanity presses will take your submitted electronic copy, shove it into a small printing press, and print out a few hundred copies in weeks. But they don't have to worry about editing, proofreading, cover art. Printing a few hundred low-quality copies is a far different project than printing ten thousand decent quality copies. And scheduling a print run of one day is far easier than juggling a dozen print runs of weeks or months each. And many self-publishing companies don't even do print runs--they print on-demand, printing one copy each time a copy is ordered.
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by GlynnStewart   » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:33 am

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Even for self-publishing, I don't think its as fast a turnaround as people think either!

From completing a novella (not novel - novels take even longer! One of mine has been in the process of 'publication' for three months now) to release is usually a month for me.
That's with a lot of editing while writing, being a writer who doesn't make very many proofread-level mistakes, and generally only two edit-revise cycles via alpha and beta readers.

I've been known to gripe about it, but the longer I'm involved in self-publishing, the more I get why a traditionally published book costs more and takes longer!

SWM wrote:The age of self-publishing is giving people a distorted view of what real publishing is like. Vanity presses will take your submitted electronic copy, shove it into a small printing press, and print out a few hundred copies in weeks. But they don't have to worry about editing, proofreading, cover art. Printing a few hundred low-quality copies is a far different project than printing ten thousand decent quality copies. And scheduling a print run of one day is far easier than juggling a dozen print runs of weeks or months each. And many self-publishing companies don't even do print runs--they print on-demand, printing one copy each time a copy is ordered.
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by SWM   » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:34 pm

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GlynnStewart wrote:Even for self-publishing, I don't think its as fast a turnaround as people think either!

From completing a novella (not novel - novels take even longer! One of mine has been in the process of 'publication' for three months now) to release is usually a month for me.
That's with a lot of editing while writing, being a writer who doesn't make very many proofread-level mistakes, and generally only two edit-revise cycles via alpha and beta readers.

I've been known to gripe about it, but the longer I'm involved in self-publishing, the more I get why a traditionally published book costs more and takes longer!

SWM wrote:The age of self-publishing is giving people a distorted view of what real publishing is like. Vanity presses will take your submitted electronic copy, shove it into a small printing press, and print out a few hundred copies in weeks. But they don't have to worry about editing, proofreading, cover art. Printing a few hundred low-quality copies is a far different project than printing ten thousand decent quality copies. And scheduling a print run of one day is far easier than juggling a dozen print runs of weeks or months each. And many self-publishing companies don't even do print runs--they print on-demand, printing one copy each time a copy is ordered.

Thanks for the perspective, GlynnStewart. I don't have any real knowledge of what the reputable self-publishing outfits are like (as opposed to the bare-minimum vanity presses). Out of curiosity, are those alpha- and beta- readers supplied by the publishing company, or are they a reading community you have associated with?
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