Spoilers and possible Errors in House of Steel eARC

TheMonster wrote:

waddles for desert wrote:Elizabeth should propose elevating her to Countess. She is a Conservative, but the seating of the San Martin lords should offset that.

White Haven should present the Queen's recommendation, and Honor should be the first to endorse it.

Meanwhile, what does Hamish have to do to be made a duke? And, shouldn't Willie be an Earl in his own right by now?

There is not yet a Grand Duke of San Martin. To my way of thinking, the two best candidates for the position are Jésus Ramirez and Hamish.

Somehow I doubt that DW will let Hamish outrank his second wife's noble title, however. He's set things up so well for the Harrington titles (Duke, Steadholder) to Raoul as Honor's first child, so that the White Haven title could go to Katherine (as Raoul relinquishing the lesser title in her favor gives the family more votes in the Lords). It also conveniently allows Emily's biological child to hold the White Haven title.

Not a chance will White Haven become Grand Duke San Martin. The only possable likely canidate is Jesus Ramirez. If Ramirez is not currently GDSM he will probably become one shortly after finishing his term as Presiden/Royal Governer, and don't be suprised that Thomas Ramirez is not Baron whatever.

saber964 wrote:Not a chance will White Haven become Grand Duke San Martin. The only possable likely canidate is Jesus Ramirez. If Ramirez is not currently GDSM he will probably become one shortly after finishing his term as Presiden/Royal Governer, and don't be suprised that Thomas Ramirez is not Baron whatever.

I agree that Ramirez is the most likely candidate for the job. Hamish is the only person not from San Martin that Elizabeth could plausibly give the job to. I'm not certain that Ramirez' position as President of San Martin in any way conflicts with him holding the title of Planetary Grand Duke, so that isn't necessarily an impediment.

But since the Act of Parliament that annexed Trevor's Star said there could not be any San Martino peers seated until after the next election in the Commons, there is not yet such a Grand Duchy. Now that the Alexander Government is in power, and there is peace with Haven, there's a good chance they'll call for elections soon, and get those peers seated in the Lords. And at that time, I expect Ramirez to at least be a duke, if not the planetary Grand Duke.

If Elizabeth tries to give Tomas a barony in his own right, it might not sit well with the Lords who insisted that the San Martino peerages not have cadet seats. They might raise a stink and try to prevent seating him. In any event, he'll be heir to Jésus' title, one of the six highest in the Manticoran peerage (assuming Lynx also gets its own peerage, less one as long as Elizabeth holds Grand Duchess of Basilisk for herself).

From Earl to Duke would be sufficient; Grand Duke would be overkill.

I think Emily would enjoy being the Duchess of Buttercup. Hamish, Duke of Buttercup, maybe not so much.

Duke of Yeltsin would be hard to argue with.

There is a good case for Duke of Haven, but it might not go over well with the allies.

Considering his tactics at the Second Battle of Basilisk and at two of the Battles of Trevor's Star, the Duke of Junction works. Or, would that be the Duke of Wormholes? Hmmm?

waddles for desert wrote:Duke of Yeltsin would be hard to argue with.

There is a good case for Duke of Haven, but it might not go over well with the allies.

There is no textev of any noble titles named for places outside the Star Kingdom itself. And the Graysons might not appreciate "Duke of Yeltsin" very much anyway.

TheMonster wrote:

waddles for desert wrote:Duke of Yeltsin would be hard to argue with.

There is a good case for Duke of Haven, but it might not go over well with the allies.

There is no textev of any noble titles named for places outside the Star Kingdom itself. And the Graysons might not appreciate "Duke of Yeltsin" very much anyway.

True. But, he is popular there; hey might endorse it. Duke of Endicot?

Of course I know it's all to late but after reading the final verion of HoS I found one more inconsistency. The story gives the date for the exploration of the Gregor terminus as 1662 PD, and the history section gives 1647 PD. So which one is it?

Not sure how the whole nobility thing really works, but wouldn't White Haven, as being the husband of Duchess and Steadholder Harrington, already have the effective status of a Duke?

Which brings up another interesting question: what is White Haven's legal precedence status on Grayson?

filbert wrote:Not sure how the whole nobility thing really works, but wouldn't White Haven, as being the husband of Duchess and Steadholder Harrington, already have the effective status of a Duke?

Which brings up another interesting question: what is White Haven's legal precedence status on Grayson?

Noble titles come in two varieties, regnant and courtesy. For example, Elizabeth's mother Queen Angelique was "Queen Consort" as opposed to "Queen Regnant". That is to say she was "Queen" by virtue of being married to the King (regnant: there is no other kind of King title). Elizabeth's own husband Justin is "Prince Consort" rather than "King Consort" because King ranks above Queen. (Call this sexist if you must, but it is what it is.)

It is not clear whether the husband of a Duchess regnant would be a "Duke consort" or simply "Lord" or some other title. What is clear is that Hamish as the spouse of a Duchess and Steadholder, has no precedence whatsoever. Caitrin Winton-Henke had no precedence for the Gold Peak title, which passed from her late husband to Michelle. She holds the courtesy title "Dowager Countess Gold Peak" in recognition of that position. (Elizabeth and the Commons saw fit to give Caitrin her own title of Grand Duchess Winton-Henke, but that is entirely separate.)

I found what I think is a typo in House of Steel, and cannot find it addressed anywhere here on the forums.

In the August 1833 chapter, it says "Justin Zyrr was four years older" than Elizabeth, and comments that that's not much in a prolong society.

Given other info about Justin having served a term in the military and IIRC they shortest term is 10 years, if he were fourTEEN years older that would fit.