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"King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art

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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by pokermind   » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:04 pm

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This post is to fill space so as not to crash the controls to the side and to keep you and the Duck Happy

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Now to the next post with oversize art. Edited to lower space
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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by pokermind   » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:09 pm

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My latest try at the Delthak II class River Gunboats:

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Sorry Duck but drawing is this size. OK coal bunkers between two alleys to the stern alley has the shaft or starboard or port engine, to the bow stairs between lower and upper deck one facing forward to crew quarters one aft to the boiler rooms. Each of the six bunkers will contain a sixth of the coal load. steam launch is shown on deck I'll have to move it aft even though it will then be marred by the rigging of the crane on the short mast. Note in cut way that the mast well is above the stairway between gun deck and the octagonal pilot house.

As to guns, well RFC is not talking at this time ;)

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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by Captain Igloo   » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:31 am

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pokermind wrote:My latest try at the Delthak II class River Gunboats:


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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by doug941   » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:14 am

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In case anyone still has questions about guns and mountings, navweaps.com has a very good collection of photos in addition to weapon stats.
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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by pokermind   » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:12 am

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In Safe Hold FAQ page http://www.davidweber.net/faqs/index/series:6 we find the description of the King Harold VII. David wrote, “I hadn’t looked at Triumph when I started playing with the design, because I’d forgotten that she’d ever existed (although she served in the Royal British Navy, she was actually designed and built by Vickers for the Chilean Navy and only ended up in the RN because the Brits bought her from Chile to prevent her from being sold to Russia during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904). Once I'd turned KH VIII back into a pre-dreadnought battleship from an armored cruiser, however, I decided to see if I could find a historical pre-dreadnought she compared to, and I think I found one. Bear in mind that Triumph carried her main armament in turrets rather than gunshields.” Address of Wikipedia article on her http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Triumph_%281903%29 and a photo from the article:

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David gives the following description of the hull:

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle, low quarterdeck, extended bulbous bow, & transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.324
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.65 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.54 knots (24.8 Old Earth knots)
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 80
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 40.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard: maximum = 30’; minimum = 15’; average = 20’6”


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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by Dilandu   » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:17 pm

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Well, they were really good for their size. They were perfect "anti-Garibaldi" for Chile.
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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by Guardiandashi   » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:37 pm

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Pokermind I realize I am not a naval architect but on your king Haarahld I was wondering if it would help to shift the rear main gun a bit further back, then put the main engine room aka the steam engines just behind, or a little bit behind the rear stack, with the steam plants under and in front of the stacks. likely with a "firewall bulkhead" separating those engineering spaces.

this would in my mind have the advantages of:
putting the engines closer to the rear of the ship thus reducing the length of the propeller shafts.
keeping the steam plants and the engines compartmentalized without making the steam lines any longer than necessary
putting at least some of the propulsion systems mass in the center (mostly) of the ship

I believe they would also likely have the coal bunkers separated, and likely with asbestos liners between the bunker and boiler rooms to try to keep the coal bunkers temperature stabilized.

I also seem to remember several navies used the coal bunkers as additional "armor spaces" to protect the vitals such as the steam, engines, and powder magazines because those were typically a lot more lethal if they had a shell detonate in them.
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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by pokermind   » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:58 am

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Progress on Delthak II Class:

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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:46 am

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Hi Pokermind,

Thank you very much.

It's wonderful to have such a picture!

I wonder if a Safehold companion book series might include such fan derived art?

I don't want to kibitz, but should the propellers be larger?

I seem to recall the Delthak's being around 8' in diameter, but these could be smaller.

Now for me, trying to imagine where the gun-ports are is the difficult part [every 7/16 of an inch?], particularly on the stern. ;)

Please keep up the good work!

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pokermind wrote:Progress on Delthak II Class:

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Re: "King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art
Post by Dilandu   » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:19 am

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pokermind wrote:Progress on Delthak II Class:


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Good work!

But:

1) The machinery is arranged pretty strange

2) The coal bunker should be placed by sides

3) The bow is... weird.
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