SPOILER: LaMA ans Snippet #7 : MISSING the ELEPHANT

Tim wrote:

rakenan wrote:I think the critical piece in the formation of a new axis of power within the Temple is Major Phandys. He gained Clyntahn's favor without doing anything that would really confirm his loyalty to Clyntahn.

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I think that if there is any force in Zion or the Temple that can be a swing player in the confrontation between Clyntahn and whatever vestiges of sanity remain within the Temple, Phandys will be its leader.

Of course, we have had no real internal PoV scenes from Phandys that bear on his ultimate loyalties. At the same time, he has shown a remarkable level venom - remarkably low, I mean - toward everybody who is not Clyntahn or one of his toadies, if he is really one of Clyntahn's supporters. They seem to be very much of a kind, honestly, and Phandys doesn't seem to fit very well. Shaped by Clyntahn in Clyntahn's own image Phandys is not.

Who is Phandys loyal to? Well there is this super secret almost millennium old Order of Saint Kody. Just a thought. The Order has had many years to place agents deeply into almost every Temple Organization.

saber964 wrote:You guys are over looking the fact that then RSA and ICA have been using deceptive tactics when disguising their troop movements. What if the RSA/ICA are taking a page out of WWII Operation Fortitude with the FUSAG. The Safeholdian equivalent of inflatable tanks, wooden aircraft, fake army camps, dummy landing craft and false radio traffic. I believe some of this was speculated upon in LAMA. Such as having RSA units march past wearing ICA uniforms or sending the same units march past the same point several times. What if the ICA units sent to Hanth are still technically in Old Provence. High Mount could be as far as the church knows cleaning out Midhold and Rolling's provinces or could be on their way to reinforce Glacierheart.

InvisibleBison wrote:

Tim wrote:*quote="rakenan"*I think the critical piece in the formation of a new axis of power within the Temple is Major Phandys. He gained Clyntahn's favor without doing anything that would really confirm his loyalty to Clyntahn.

<SNIP>

I think that if there is any force in Zion or the Temple that can be a swing player in the confrontation between Clyntahn and whatever vestiges of sanity remain within the Temple, Phandys will be its leader.

Of course, we have had no real internal PoV scenes from Phandys that bear on his ultimate loyalties. At the same time, he has shown a remarkable level venom - remarkably low, I mean - toward everybody who is not Clyntahn or one of his toadies, if he is really one of Clyntahn's supporters. They seem to be very much of a kind, honestly, and Phandys doesn't seem to fit very well. Shaped by Clyntahn in Clyntahn's own image Phandys is not.*quote*

Who is Phandys loyal to? Well there is this super secret almost millennium old Order of Saint Kody. Just a thought. The Order has had many years to place agents deeply into almost every Temple Organization.

I don't recall seeing anything in the novels to suggest that Phandys is anything other than what he appears to be; that is, a loyal, reliable officer of the Temple Guard. What am I missing? Why do people think this guy is up to something?

lyonheart wrote:Hi InvisibleBison,

To some its just making a mountain out of a molehill, to others they're sure its something typically RFC-ish, ie clever, devious, and some kind of Chekhov type flashing red light that we should have recognised a couple books back.

He's been the subject of more than a few threads speculating on who or what he might be besides a good officer, because what he reported happening appeared to be a set up of sorts, and he gets along with Duchairn too well not to be supposedly connected with whatever Haurwerd Wylsynn's note to Duchairn...

See what desperate fans can theoretically create out almost nothing?

L

InvisibleBison wrote:
I don't recall seeing anything in the novels to suggest that Phandys is anything other than what he appears to be; that is, a loyal, reliable officer of the Temple Guard. What am I missing? Why do people think this guy is up to something?

DrakBibliophile wrote:Yep, no real text evidence concerning Phandys having "secret motives".

In my case, it's questions about the setup that put him in Clyntahn's eye in favorable manner.

Also something about his interviews with Rayno are "off". IE he's not the person that Rayno thinks he is.

Finally, it's his relationship with Duchairn (as you said) that puzzles me. We have seen nothing from Duchairn's thoughts that indicates that Duchairn is bothered by having him as a guard.

The only time that I remember Duchairn commenting on Phandys "watching him" was when Duchairn tells Chancellor Trynair not to wonder what he's doing (or will be) because Phandys will inform the Chancellor.

But even that can be the words of a man who knows that the spy watching him is actually an ally.


*quote="lyonheart"*Hi InvisibleBison,

To some its just making a mountain out of a molehill, to others they're sure its something typically RFC-ish, ie clever, devious, and some kind of Chekhov type flashing red light that we should have recognised a couple books back.

He's been the subject of more than a few threads speculating on who or what he might be besides a good officer, because what he reported happening appeared to be a set up of sorts, and he gets along with Duchairn too well not to be supposedly connected with whatever Haurwerd Wylsynn's note to Duchairn...

See what desperate fans can theoretically create out almost nothing?

L

InvisibleBison wrote:
I don't recall seeing anything in the novels to suggest that Phandys is anything other than what he appears to be; that is, a loyal, reliable officer of the Temple Guard. What am I missing? Why do people think this guy is up to something?

InvisibleBison wrote:

I don't recall seeing anything in the novels to suggest that Phandys is anything other than what he appears to be; that is, a loyal, reliable officer of the Temple Guard. What am I missing? Why do people think this guy is up to something?

Randomiser wrote:

InvisibleBison wrote:

I don't recall seeing anything in the novels to suggest that Phandys is anything other than what he appears to be; that is, a loyal, reliable officer of the Temple Guard. What am I missing? Why do people think this guy is up to something?

They are bored and have too much time on their hands till the next book comes out!