"King Haarahld VI"-class, paint art

Good work, colleague!

However, some problems:

Ten inch naval guns are not small the biggest made were eighteen inches. Heavy things too. The space forward will have the optical range finder tale for calculations, yada, yada. Thus the staked tail carriage rotating around the ammunition elevator, added some drawings and refined it a bit:

But why ALL the barrei is forward to the rotation axis? The reloading still would be able only on constant agnle of elevation. Look at this guns for example:

http://www.cityofart.net/bship/hms_roya ... gundia.gif

They are 13.5" from "Rpyal Sovereing", and you could see, that their barbettes is much more compact. They simply put all the reloading systems on the OTHER side of rotating axis. Of course, this is a fixed-train reloader, but even the rotation reloader may be more compact, colleague. Currently your mounts is awfuly heavy, and a lot of armor weight is used just to protect the empty space.

My attempt at the King Harold got to add the 8"/40s yet but have the 4"/45s and 10"/40s 3 stacks, basket mast with nice gazebo for the look outs and the black flag with gold Kraken

1)Too low sides. Probably not a big problem in Safehold current situation, but RFC is pretty firm about the ability to operate effectively in heavy seas.

2) The forward mast would be destroyed by any storm. The geodesical mast look different. Try to find something as example on Shipbucket.

3)All pipes are on the rear. If all the boilers are on the rear, so where is the machines? In front of the boilers? The long shafts isn't really good thing; sometimes they are unavoidable, but they are always hard to work with.

It would be good to make sides of your ship a one deck higher, place some superstructure or the flying deck over the weather desk. The pipes must be rearranged forward, to make space for machines.

Still, a good work!

Stratsvetze Dilandu moi Tovarich, Sorry but in MS Word to use Cyrillic is by inserting special characters, and a real pain in the ass. Love you sponsons guns cool, and the white streak is retained from the galleons. Took some of your suggestions to heart here's the result on DA:



Visit link for larger pic, http://pokermind.deviantart.com/art/Safehold-s-King-Harold-VII-486757909 hit the magnafing glass icon there

Moved things more to center, next project is doing a top view to s if it will fit. Now it it was me I'd use a triple expansion engine with two high pressure cylinders set at right angles on a four throw crank shaft, no dead centers that way , just enlarge medium and LP cylinders. Added a deck above water line. I'm tempted to put a WW 1 Dazle pattern on her [evil laugh ] hope you like her. The measurements in feet numbers are in tens of feet, Damn Langhorne no metrics on Safehold. Ya Tozjay suckemsin with forty-five degree elevation those will be awesome angle guns Sorry for inflicting my thirty year old collage Russian on you in Roman characters no less

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pokermind wrote:
Moved things more to center, next project is doing a top view to s if it will fit. Now it it was me I'd use a triple expansion engine with two high pressure cylinders set at right angles on a four throw crank shaft, no dead centers that way , just enlarge medium and LP cylinders. Added a deck above water line. I'm tempted to put a WW 1 Dazle pattern on her [evil laugh ] hope you like her. The measurements in feet numbers are in tens of feet, Damn Langhorne no metrics on Safehold. Ya Tozjay suckemsin with forty-five degree elevation those will be awesome angle guns Sorry for inflicting my thirty year old collage Russian on you in Roman characters no less

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Much better, but still need some work. Look at the real prototypes; for example, on the Shipbucket:

http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=Real%20Designs

For example: HMS "Swiftshure"

http://www.warshipsww2.eu/gb/bb/img/rys-swiftsure.gif

They are actually close enough to KH's.

Zdrast-vwee-tye Dilandu,

The 10" aren't fully enclosed, only a half or breastwork shield.

Aren't the 8" all above the deck, not below where they were rather wet and unworkable?

The American 'cage' masts were dropped after a hurricane battered one down to sea level near the end of WW I, so I don't think the designers made that mistake again.

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Dilandu wrote:

pokermind wrote:
Moved things more to center, next project is doing a top view to s if it will fit. Now it it was me I'd use a triple expansion engine with two high pressure cylinders set at right angles on a four throw crank shaft, no dead centers that way , just enlarge medium and LP cylinders. Added a deck above water line. I'm tempted to put a WW 1 Dazle pattern on her [evil laugh ] hope you like her. The measurements in feet numbers are in tens of feet, Damn Langhorne no metrics on Safehold. Ya Tozjay suckemsin with forty-five degree elevation those will be awesome angle guns Sorry for inflicting my thirty year old collage Russian on you in Roman characters no less

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Much better, but still need some work. Look at the real prototypes; for example, on the Shipbucket:

http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=Real%20Designs

For example: HMS "Swiftshure"

http://www.warshipsww2.eu/gb/bb/img/rys-swiftsure.gif

They are actually close enough to KH's.

lyonheart wrote:Zdrast-vwee-tye Dilandu,

The 10" aren't fully enclosed, only a half or breastwork shield.

Aren't the 8" all above the deck, not below where they were rather wet and unworkable?

The American 'cage' masts were dropped after a hurricane battered one down to sea level near the end of WW I, so I don't think the designers made that mistake again.

Hello!

I don't think that the partially open shiels is a good thing. The weight economy is insignificant, but the level of protection would drop significantly.

P.S. About superior battleships and inferior guns. As i recall, there was a assident in Dardanells in 1915, with the "Agamemnon" and large turkish bombard with stone shots...

Progress. I'm slow re-did basket mast after looking at your suggested link started the top view. Thinking of adding a search light lower landing on the basket like on the USS Arizona drawing. An reflected oil lamp similar to early head lamps on the railroads would make a dandy spotlight even without electricity for an arc-lamp.

The Arizona drawing is also making me think of removing weather deck strips beside casement shown in my side view. I'm thinking of adding add a half deck to bow angled down to main deck for extra protection of main fore deck machinery and to aid in cutting into the teeth of a gale.

I'll keep basket mast unless RFC nixes the idea. I can always step in a tree trunk later, hmm rat lines and all I saw on some of the British BBs.

DA thumb nail the numbers are at ten foot intervals in the scale even with a 76 foot beam she is canoe skinny as you can see.



http://pokermind.deviantart.com/art/Safehold-s-King-Harold-VII-486757909 for a closer look.

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pokermind wrote:Progress.

And a good one, indeed!

An reflected oil lamp similar to early head lamps on the railroads would make a dandy spotlight even without electricity for an arc-lamp.

Hm, maybe some sort of gas lamp would be more effective? Of course, pressurized gas is always dangerous, but on the mast even the worst explosion wouldn't actuall harm the ship.

The Arizona drawing is also making me think of removing weather deck strips beside casement shown in my side view. I'm thinking of adding add a half deck to bow angled down to main deck for extra protection of main fore deck machinery and to aid in cutting into the teeth of a gale.

A good idea.

Here's a 12 inch industrial locomotive oil head lamp put on a 'U' bracket with handles for moving up and down and turn whole 'U' at where you wish the light to spot. They also made acetylene versions that could be adapted, but kraken oil might as you noted be safer

12 & 3/8 inch acetylene head lamp would need acetylene generator, and hose connections



Both illustrations from the 1918 Handlin Buck catalog.

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Dilandu wrote:[Snip]

Hm, maybe some sort of gas lamp would be more effective? Of course, pressurized gas is always dangerous, but on the mast even the worst explosion wouldn't actuall harm the ship.

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The guns still look weird. The barbettes are too big and too heavy for only 10" guns. And the 45-degress elevation... Well, it maybe somewhat usefull in teror bombardment of coastal towns, but i failed to see how in Safehold situation it could be used for something more effective than shelling the populated areas.